Eucharist

[Thief]

Would it be safe to assume that you ain't a Roman Catholic?

almost became a priest for cause of it

put in a bid at a local seminary
two open positions
twelve people showed up
and apparently two of them are holier than me

no hard feelings
I continued in scripture and found the recital of dogma to be ....wrong

 

[shmogie]

So, transubstantiation is the Roman Catholic belief. I get that many Catholics don't literally believe it (as indeed I do not) but that is a heretical belief.

Yes, it is a RC belief. One of the list of many things that created the Reformation.

 

[1213]

I know this will always be a silly debate.

Do you catholics and non-catholics actually believe you/they are drinking real blood and eating real flesh (cannibalism)? ...

No. (I am non-catholic).

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I too id ask a priest
he was insistent
a miracle happens on every occasion of the holy mass
a LITERAL transformation takes place

I truly believe he was duped to the recital of church propaganda

The priest told me there is different types of truths. He was shocked when I asked him when I said "literal" I mean haired flesh and white blood cells. Maybe some of you got a different definition of literal but no catholic I know believes they drink blood and eat human flesh.

Maybe ask the priest if he drinks blood and haired flesh?

If he does, I'd think maybe he's delusional. If not, you guys must have a different definition of literal that catholics don't share.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

All I can say, is that when I am before the consecrated Eucharist, I genuflect and bow my head before it. Because I am physically in the presence of God.

I'm sure you don't believe bread and wine are human blood and haired flesh of christ?

Even though I'm not a practicing catholic anymore, I do the same out of respect to my baptism. Understand.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Let's turn to clarity

In the last hours of His ministry the Carpenter performed the Passover
and said to Hid disciples ......Do this in memory of Me

that is NOT very Jewish
the Passover was intended to remember Moses and the Exodus

as for this is my body
this is my blood

a METAPHOR

what you take into yourself becomes YOU
take into yourself the bread...….His parables
take into yourself.....His Life

you share His blood line
brother and fellow servant

You're missing the point. "This is my blood and body" isn't speaking of yeast and blood. It's speaking of christ's literal passion by which the meal itself is (not a symbol of) the cornerstone of Mass. Breaking the bread. Jesus can't be separated from the meal that's why it the Eucharist "is" christ not a metaphor of him.

what you take into yourself becomes YOU
take into yourself the bread...….His parables
take into yourself.....His Life

you share His blood line
brother and fellow servant

This is exactly what it means when catholics say the Eucharist IS jesus christ. The meal and christ cannot be separated (accidents and presence). As such, when you take in the meal, you take in christ. The meal joins people together in as a physical unit. The presence of christ (when body joins) brings the Mass together in a spiritual unit. They can't be separated it. Like the trinity, the belief is they are each other and separate at the same time.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

go to your closet and close the door
and the Spirit that knows you will hear your prayer
so said the Carpenter

how much closer do you think you can get?

If you were catholic (assuming you're not), you'd know christ is present in the body comes together in Mass. As for alone, many catholics pray to christ outside of Mass but because they are a Church, their prayers aren't separated from the body even though they aren't physically present in front of christ's altar/christ's table.

 

[Cooky]

No. (I am non-catholic).

Is that why you don't have an avatar? Because non-Catholic Christian's are afraid God might be upset with them having graven images?

 

[shmogie]

I think the post would have still been benefitial. I'm only not sure


It's a literal mass, meal, Christ, and passion. The breaking of the bread is literally joining brothers in Christ. It's not new aged symbolism. It's highly cultural.

1. When you go to mass, you become part of his literal body. (The people)

2. In scripture when the body comes together, it makes Christ present.

3. When Christ is present, he becomes/is communion. The cornerstone of mass.

4. Christ is what joins the body. He cannot be separated from the meal...because

5. When one consumes the food they consume (lbw) his passion. Bread his life, blood sacrifice. In it, the communion/body/blood is Christ resurrection.

Everyone will be resurrected to those who sit at his table and become a church.

The literal context isn't symbolism. It's not new aged. I'm not sure why Protestants water down these practices. Spiritual is both physical (the meal) and spiritual (passion).

New age symbolism? No, not unless you consider 500 years ago new age, or what the Apostles did, new age.

Mass has nothing to do with the body of Christ ( the true Church) which exists regardless of mass.

Actually, when two are gathered together in His name, He is present.

We "water down" these practices because the practices are erroneous mumbo jumbo.

Christ was crucified once, for all sin for all time, for all people.

We follow His instruction to remember this, and take the meal as He did, to emphasize that one time shedding of blood and sacrifice of His body.

To believe the meal is literally Christs flesh and blood, means His sacrifice is never complete.

Christs body today is not the same as the body He sacrificed, it is glorified. Apparently he has no blood, as Thomas thrust his hand into the wound of the spear, and it didn't bleed. His blood flowed into the dirt at the cross.

So, your blood and body are simply not what was on the cross and spilled, those no longer exist.

If it's symbolism, so is a Christian's salvation.

Do you understand what I'm saying?

Putting aside the argument you used to hearing.

 

[shmogie]

Is that why you don't have an avatar? Because non-Catholic Christian's are afraid God might be upset with them having graven images?

A little waspish and judgemental, no?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

@shmogie

I think you missed a quote?

 

[Cooky]

A little waspish and judgemental, no?

I mean the far-end fundamentalist types. That's not you.

 

[Thief]

You're missing the point. "This is my blood and body" isn't speaking of yeast and blood. It's speaking of christ's literal passion by which the meal itself is (not a symbol of) the cornerstone of Mass. Breaking the bread. Jesus can't be separated from the meal that's why it the Eucharist "is" christ not a metaphor of him.

what you take into yourself becomes YOU
take into yourself the bread...….His parables
take into yourself.....His Life

you share His blood line
brother and fellow servant

This is exactly what it means when catholics say the Eucharist IS jesus christ. The meal and christ cannot be separated (accidents and presence). As such, when you take in the meal, you take in christ. The meal joins people together in as a physical unit. The presence of christ (when body joins) brings the Mass together in a spiritual unit. They can't be separated it. Like the trinity, the belief is they are each other and separate at the same time.

maybe we are on the same page...…???

His ministry BEGAN with the metaphor......eat my flesh....drink my blood
and the congregation riled against him
took Him to high ledge and sought to throw Him down

they did not understand His speech

and His ministry ended as it began

 

[Thief]

If you were catholic (assuming you're not), you'd know christ is present in the body comes together in Mass. As for alone, many catholics pray to christ outside of Mass but because they are a Church, their prayers aren't separated from the body even though they aren't physically present in front of christ's altar/christ's table.

many perform ritual
many perform ceremony
many deceive themselves

I have no religion.....I found it doesn't matter

what?....no Jews in heaven?...no Muslims?
how many do not partake?

I do not believe exclusion for those who do not perform the ritual

therefore.....partaking of His body would BE the parables
partaking of His blood is to bleed for your fellowman

with His parables on your mind.....His command in your hand
you ARE the body and blood

 

[Unveiled Artist]

maybe we are on the same page...…???

His ministry BEGAN with the metaphor......eat my flesh....drink my blood
and the congregation riled against him
took Him to high ledge and sought to throw Him down

they did not understand His speech

and His ministry ended as it began

It wasn't a metaphor. It's not about the words.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

many perform ritual
many perform ceremony
many deceive themselves

I have no religion.....I found it doesn't matter

what?....no Jews in heaven?...no Muslims?
how many do not partake?

I do not believe exclusion for those who do not perform the ritual

therefore.....partaking of His body would BE the parables
partaking of His blood is to bleed for your fellowman

with His parables on your mind.....His command in your hand
you ARE the body and blood

I can't follow your dialogue so it's easier to reply to your smaller posts.

 

[Thief]

It wasn't a metaphor. It's not about the words.

it's all about the words

His Word
your word

 

[Unveiled Artist]

it's all about the words

His Word
your word

Word means Christ. The person is the law not the written words. That's the whole point.

 

[Thief]

Word means Christ. The person is the law not the written words. That's the whole point.

I do refrain the label Christian

I don't walk on water
I don't raise the dead
the blind remain in the dark
and the lame man does not walk

I do bear some physical resemblance
so I've been told....to my face
but I don't see that to my advantage
heaven might be disappointed when I show up.....
and hell would be outraged

but the TRUE resemblance cannot be seen by the eye
it is realized by what you say to your fellowman
it is what you do unto him

 

[Thief]

the Last Supper is a ritual

DO this to remember Me

if you do the ritual.....and think no more beyond the gesture
the bread will not nourish
the wine may as well have been water