Europe wants peace

[TagliatelliMonster]

I fight for 1) free universal healthcare 2) public pension system 3) nationalization of the FED 4) reduction of the work-week 5) retirement at 60 (maximum age).

This combination is delusional and well send your country into bankrupcy.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Capitalism is a system and by supporting a person such as Putin you are supporting that system

A very very corrupt version of that system, even.

 

[Estro Felino]

This combination is delusional and well send your country into bankrupcy.

After expropriating all the banking stakes from the national bank and the strategic assets, of course.
With the use of force.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

But it's the US who is ORDERING Ukraine to keep fighting undefinitively.

On what planet do you live?
Ukrainians are resisting the invasion and are BEGGING the US (and other countries) to help them keep fighting.
In the early months, they were even begging for NATO to enforce a no-fly zone.

Ukrainians do nothing but complain about how the help is too late and / or too little

 

[Estro Felino]

On what planet do you live?
Ukrainians are resisting the invasion and are BEGGING the US (and other countries) to help them keep fighting.
In the early months, they were even begging for NATO to enforce a no-fly zone.

Ukrainians do nothing but complain about how the help is too late and / or too little

I speak Russian so I can understand a little bit of Ukrainian.
It's the former president, Zelenskyy who is doing nothing but complain about how the help is belated/ insufficient.

Ukrainians are fleeing en masse...and come to my country too, saying that in that country there is a dictatorship that forces them to fight a lost war.
Like Mussolini, who forced Italians to fight Russians in the steppe. A lost war.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Because I live in Europe. You don't. So you guys should mind your own business, no offense.

As a European, I hope they don't merely "mind their own business".
Also, in this globalized world with very much intertwined economies, whatever happens here in europe is very much their business. And vice versa. What happens in the US affects us europeans also.

This is Europe. Russia is a fundamental part of Europe,

No, it's not.
Just because part of the country is on the European continent, doesn't mean our geopolitics are the same.
They really aren't. Geopolitically, Russia live on its own little island and this has been so for a very very very long time.
And even though it looked for a moment after 1991 that they were coming over to our side of the fence, recent developments of the last decade have shown that it was just a farce.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

An authoritative state that guarantees order.

And misery.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Because they are in Italian, and you don't speak Italian.
But you can read this: Boris Johnson Pressured Zelenskyy to Ditch Peace Talks With Russia: Ukrainian Paper | Common Dreams

Boris Johnson Pressured Zelenskyy to Ditch Peace Talks With Russia: Ukrainian Paper | Common Dreams

"The British government has become an obstacle to peace in Ukraine," said the Stop the War Coalition. "The conflict there is developing into a proxy war between Russia and NATO and it is the Ukrainian people who will suffer the consequences."

www.commondreams.org

I am glad that you have finally posted evidence that you understand what is at play.
"... But the talks have since been at a standstill as Russia continues its devastating and illegal assault. ..."

 

[Estro Felino]

Boris Johnson Pressured Zelenskyy to Ditch Peace Talks With Russia: Ukrainian Paper | Common Dreams

"The British government has become an obstacle to peace in Ukraine," said the Stop the War Coalition. "The conflict there is developing into a proxy war between Russia and NATO and it is the Ukrainian people who will suffer the consequences."

www.commondreams.org

I am glad that you have finally posted evidence that you understand what is at play.
"... But the talks have since been at a standstill as Russia continues its devastating and illegal assault. ..."

If you love the US so much, why don't you just move there?

I side with our European values, rich in socialist ideologies and in anti-banking parties.
Because that's what's at stake: a godless banking élites wanting to turn Russia into an American colony.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

If you love the US so much, why don't you just move there?

I side with our European values, rich in socialist ideologies and in anti-banking parties.
Because that's what's at stake: a godless banking élites wanting to turn Russia into an American colony.

Well, I am glad that you finally accept evidence and post it:
"... But the talks have since been at a standstill as Russia continues its devastating and illegal assault. ..."

 

[Estro Felino]

Well, I am glad that you finally accept evidence and post it:
"... But the talks have since been at a standstill as Russia continues its devastating and illegal assault. ..."

The substance is true.
The journalist is wrong: those 4 regions made a referendum so the illegal occupier is Kiev, not Moscow.
They already decided to stay in the Russian federation and already voted for their representatives in the duma.
Deal with it.

The territorial dispute is just a lame pretext to wage a war on the tsar.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I speak Russian so I can understand a little bit of Ukrainian.
It's the former president, Zelenskyy who is doing nothing but complain about how the help is belated/ insufficient.

Ukrainians are fleeing en masse...and come to my country too, saying that in that country there is a dictatorship that forces them to fight a lost war.
Like Mussolini, who forced Italians to fight Russians in the steppe. A lost war.

This is pure nonsense.

Ukrainians Stand Behind War Effort Despite Some Fatigue

Ukrainians' support for the war with Russia remains strong heading into the second year of the conflict between the countries.

news.gallup.com

What Do Ukrainians Think About the War

Petro Burkovskiy explains what Ukrainians think about the war and the country’s strategic goals.

ukraineworld.org

Yes, many are fleeing. This is what happens when your country is bombed to the ground. I employ one of them as a cleaning lady. She left the country with her kids and her husband stayed behind to fight. They lived in Kherson. She wants Ukraine to fight, and win. Off course she is concerned for her husband's safety. But war is war and without people who join the army and fight, there is no defense.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

After expropriating all the banking stakes from the national bank and the strategic assets, of course.
With the use of force.

That's a great way to chase away all investment capital and cause a civil war which will end up with Italy being on par with third world countries unable to pay for anything

So even more delusional then I thought.

 

[Estro Felino]

Yes, many are fleeing. This is what happens when your country is bombed to the ground. I employ one of them as a cleaning lady. She left the country with her kids and her husband stayed behind to fight. They lived in Kherson. She wants Ukraine to fight, and win. Off course she is concerned for her husband's safety. But war is war and without people who join the army and fight, there is no defense.

How strange.
Many Italians were sick and tired to fight an idiotic war ideated by Nazis, so they voted out Mussolini in 1943, and executed him in 1945.
It can happen the same thing in Ukraine too...if Ukrainians get tired of the war...

And by the way...we surrendered to the Americans in 1943, so sometimes it takes courage to admit that the war is lost.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I had told you guys, that supporting the warmongers overseas would undo governments...
and you guys didn't believe me.
This pro-war attitude will ultimately undo the old EU...

This literally has nothing to do with the point.
The point wasn't about the EU, anti-war, pro-war,... It was about Russia and greedy elites.

Belgian PM De Croo announces resignation after heavy election loss

De Croo will now tend his resignation to King Philippe, who has the power to reject it at his discretion. #EuropeNews

www.euronews.com

This is even less on point. I have no clue why you think that internal politics of Belgian elections is in any way relevant to the corrupt leadership of elites in Russia who put themselves and their friends in position of power to divide up the billions.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The substance is true.
The journalist is wrong: those 4 regions made a referendum so the illegal occupier is Kiev, not Moscow.

Corrupt rigged "referendums" at gunpoint are illegal and void.

They already decided to stay in the Russian federation and already voted for their representatives in the duma.

They did not.
Russia pretends they did. And you in your naivety as a consumer of Russian propaganda are swallowing it up whole.

Deal with it.

There is nothing to deal with.

The territorial dispute is just a lame pretext to wage a war on the tsar.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

How strange.
Many Italians were sick and tired to fight an idiotic war ideated by Nazis, so they voted out Mussolini in 1943, and executed him in 1945.
It can happen the same thing in Ukraine too...if Ukrainians get tired of the war...

And by the way...we surrendered to the Americans in 1943, so sometimes it takes courage to admit that the war is lost.

This once again has literally nothing to do with your claim that has just been exposed as utterly false.

The subject was Ukraine and how Ukrainians look at the war effort. Not what did or didn't happened in Italy 80 years ago.
Try and focus.

 

[Estro Felino]

This once again has literally nothing to do with your claim that has just been exposed as utterly false.

The subject was Ukraine and how Ukrainians look at the war effort. Not what did or didn't happened in Italy 80 years ago.
Try and focus.

No double standards, please.
I apply one standard to all situations.
That makes me a coherent person.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

No double standards, please.
I apply one standard to all situations.
That makes me a coherent person.

There is no double standard.

How Italians viewed the war with / against nazi's 80 years ago has nothing to do with how Ukrainians today look at the war against invading Russians.

You made a claim about what the majority of Ukrainians today think about the war against the invading Russian army.
I showed you independent surveys that showed your claims to be ridiculously wrong.

Again: try and focus.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

You can call me socialistische hoer from now on.

I have no idea why I would do that. And I have even less of an idea what that once again has to do with anything.


Are you capable of staying on point?
Sounds like you can't.

Seems like whenever your claims are shown to be bullocks, you quickly change the topic to some other random subject.
It's quite pathetic tbh.