Europe wants peace

[Wu Wei]

With all due respect...but European borders are based upon national identities which have been existing for centuries.
I know it's a very difficult to understand for an American.
But those regions were Russian.
So it doesn't deal with an imperialist invader.
Croatians took several regions from us. But we accepted that because those were Croatian lands.
No double standards. Please.

Well by that logic, England has the right to invade multiple counties since they once belonged to the British Empire, France has the right to take anything back that was once under Napoleon, Spain then also has the right to invade multiple places because they once controlled them.... And the Germans have the right to invade many places they once controlled under Hitler.

do you have any idea of the geography Europe prior to the the USSR up to Pre World War 2........

 

[Balthazzar]

Europe wants peace.
These latest EU elections have showed it.

So this is a message to my friends from the United States:
do respect Europeans' desire of peace and may God enlighten you as well...and make you desire peace with Russia.
Thank you.

Something I've noticed over the years is that popular opinion and desire isn't always what our leadership is able to provide, despite our input and opinion. Sometimes it is desired and the difficulty providing is necessitated by the demand contrary to peace, which would be out of our sphere of influence. I think most people prefer peaceful relations. I simply don't think peaceful relations are always an option. It's unfortunate, but true.

 

[Stevicus]

do you have any idea of the geography Europe prior to the the USSR up to Pre World War 2........

 

[Pogo]

They shouldn't be in NATO. NATO should be gotten rid of, actually. Let Ukraine join the EU instead.

The EU is an economic alliance, Nato is a defensive alliance, they are apples and kumquats.

 

[Pogo]

Something I've noticed over the years is that popular opinion and desire isn't always what our leadership is able to provide, despite our input and opinion. Sometimes it is desired and the difficulty providing is necessitated by the demand contrary to peace, which would be out of our sphere of influence. I think most people prefer peaceful relations. I simply don't think peaceful relations are always an option. It's unfortunate, but true.

Peace existed until Russia invaded, do you consider that a peaceful action that should be allowed with no response.
Please don't give me any trumped up Russian propaganda for the the "special operation" only reaction to invasion of sovereign borders.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The EU is an economic alliance, Nato is a defensive alliance, they are apples and kumquats.

Regardless, they shouldn't join NATO. That will be WW3 then.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Europe wants peace.
These latest EU elections have showed it.

So this is a message to my friends from the United States:
do respect Europeans' desire of peace and may God enlighten you as well...and make you desire peace with Russia.
Thank you.

Does that mean just permitting Russia to enslave the Ukranians? After all, they've already stolen enough of their children.

 

[Balthazzar]

Peace existed until Russia invaded, do you consider that a peaceful action that should be allowed with no response.
Please don't give me any trumped up Russian propaganda for the the "special operation" only reaction to invasion of sovereign borders.

I'm not in position to offer an adequate response to that specific question. I will suggest that I prefer peace over the hostilities. I don't live in Europe. I have concerns of my own, which I'm required to work through as they relate to peaceful relations or otherwise. Sometimes there's nothing we can do but aim for peace, remain peaceful, and hope for peace moving forward, but I don't wish to mislead anyone concerning the nature of the hostilities and our ability to sway the "machine" itself. I'm not in that type of position.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Regardless, they shouldn't join NATO. That will be WW3 then.

Are you suggesting that there are some nations that are somehow not "qualified" to seek alliances for the purposes of self-protection? That existing NATO signatories deserve that, but others don't?

Could you explain why?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Are you suggesting that there are some nations that are somehow not "qualified" to seek alliances for the purposes of self-protection? That existing NATO signatories deserve that, but others don't?

Could you explain why?

Because I don't want WW3, duh.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I remind you the French will hold elections next week.
As for the entire Slavo-Catholic world...it is on our side.


And by the way...do you want peace or not?

What price would you be willing to pay for "peace?" If somebody says to you, "sell us your daughter, and we'll leave you in peace," would you be okay with that? (By the way, how much would you charge?)

Ukraine should be no more for sale than your daughter!

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Because I don't want WW3, duh.

And you'll sacrifice some other nation (naturally not your own) to prevent it? Okay, understood.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

And you'll sacrifice some other nation (naturally not your own) to prevent it? Okay, understood.

That's not our problem. You want to fight for Ukraine, get on a plane and go. All this animosity towards Russia is totally irrelevant to anyone who hasn't gotten over the Cold War by now. I don't care about Russia and neither does anyone my age or younger, really. We're not going to waste our lives on this nonsense. We have our own problems that our governments need to attend to.

 

[Stevicus]

We are speaking of Ukraine, here.
The war will end, when the elitist cabal of warmongers overseas stops funding Zelenskyy

Yes, although my point is that, if Europe wants peace, they can refuse to cooperate with the warmongers in the U.S. government.

 

[fantome profane]

Are you suggesting that there are some nations that are somehow not "qualified" to seek alliances for the purposes of self-protection? That existing NATO signatories deserve that, but others don't?

Could you explain why?

Because they are currently at war. I think that disqualifies them from joining Nato until this war is over, unless Nato wants to declare war Russia.

When this war is over I believe Ukraine will join Nato very quickly. And perhaps the EU.

 

[Stevicus]

I can not help but wonder what manner of disaster would befall the world if the USA just pulled out of every foreign country AND stopped funneling money outside the USA.

If the world is in such dismal and precarious shape that a loss of U.S. hegemony would lead to disaster, then the world is in much worse shape than the U.S. is capable of dealing with by itself. We're not invincible ourselves, nor are our resources limitless. There's only so much we can do to save the world from itself.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

That's not our problem. You want to fight for Ukraine, get on a plane and go. All this animosity towards Russia is totally irrelevant to anyone who hasn't gotten over the Cold War by now. I don't care about Russia and neither does anyone my age or younger, really. We're not going to waste our lives on this nonsense. We have our own problems that our governments need to attend to.

And there you have it -- exactly why we will always remain a fractious, warring planet killing our own kind with wanton abandon until we've finally done our world the great favour of extinguishing ourselves. Go visit "Pale Blue Dot" by Carl Sagan

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If you want war to continue, you can go to fight for Zelenskyy's sake.
I mean...it's easy to desire war, while wanting others to die in it.

It's easy to say oh well when it's not your freedoms and way of life that are being threatened.
You'd be begging for help if it was happening to you, even if Putin invaded because under Putins law your existence is a crime.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

And there you have it -- exactly why we will always remain a fractious, warring planet killing our own kind with wanton abandon until we've finally done our world the great favour of extinguishing ourselves.

You're the one wanting war, not me. I've been anti-war for a couple of decades. It's something I was always firm on with my views. We need to stop this slaughter by no longer supporting Ukraine militarily and pushing them to negotiate peace terms with Russia.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That's not our problem. You want to fight for Ukraine, get on a plane and go. All this animosity towards Russia is totally irrelevant to anyone who hasn't gotten over the Cold War by now. I don't care about Russia and neither does anyone my age or younger, really. We're not going to waste our lives on this nonsense. We have our own problems that our governments need to attend to.

Helping another fight against an aggressive invasion that wants to being them under a dictatorship is not nonsense.
Putin and his supporters are the ones who wanted this war. No one aiding Ukraine amd the Ukrains fighting Russia want a war but it's happening anyways because of an aggressive fascist.