Europe wants peace

[Revoltingest]

I would fight for Putin....

You'd join the invasion of Ukraine, eh.

 

[Estro Felino]

You'd join the invasion of Ukraine, eh.

Actually those lands belong to the Russian Federation.
It's Ukraine who is trying to steal them from the Russian Federation.

It's like Austria wanted to take South Tyrol back from Italy.
We Italians would never try to prevent Austria from doing that.
We are not that stupid.

 

[Estro Felino]

Both the Russian and Ukrainian sides of the current war are Europeans. In addition Europe has a looooooooong history of warfare and not peace. Stating that "Europe wants peace" is dubious, at the least, and quite likely wrong.

I kindly remind you that Germany and Italy have been at peace for 80 years...whereas Americans have unleashed wars for those eighty years.
The elitist cabal of warmongers did.
Vietnam war...Libyan war...Syrian war....

 

[Revoltingest]

Actually those lands belong to the Russian Federation.
It's Ukraine who is trying to steal them from the Russian Federation.

Odd....so many Ukrainians were born there.
Just being there is stealing from Russia.
So you favor Russia killing them.

Would you join in to kill Finnish people
for stealing Finland?

 

[Estro Felino]

What makes you think America does not want peace? Russia should stop its invasion and declare a ceasefire then there will be peace.

If Washington DC stops giving weapons to the former comedian of Kiev, there will be peace.

 

[Estro Felino]

Odd....so many Ukrainians were born there.
Just being there is stealing from Russia.
So you favor Russia killing them.

Would you join in to kill Finnish people
for stealing Finland?

With all due respect, I speak Russian. I speak five European languages, so I do know how things work here in terms of national identities and linguistic identities.
Please...
Do you know the linguistic situation of Europe? I don't think you do.

 

[libre]

No, this tension between Putin and the West started way before that. Did you know that Putin wanted to join NATO and be friendly towards us but we rejected that? I was surprised when I found that out. Tsk tsk.

The USSR wanted to join as well, but they were rejected to maintain NATO as an anti-Russia bulwark.
Something that they don't teach in school when they demonize the Warsaw pact.

 

[Estro Felino]

I want peace, but not if that means Russia keeps any land in Ukraine

So you want war to continue until all Ukrainians are dead.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The USSR wanted to join as well, but they were rejected to maintain NATO as an anti-Russia bulwark.
Something that they don't teach in school when they demonize the Warsaw pact.

I didn't know that, thanks!

 

[Estro Felino]

Well by that logic, England has the right to invade multiple counties since they once belonged to the British Empire, France has the right to take anything back that was once under Napoleon, Spain then also has the right to invade multiple places because they once controlled them.... And the Germans have the right to invade many places they once controlled under Hitler.

do you have any idea of the geography Europe prior to the the USSR up to Pre World War 2........

Since you know so much about European history, tell me: what country should South Tyrol belong to?

 

[Revoltingest]

With all due respect.....

Oh, no....not that again.

....I speak Russian. I speak five European languages, so I do know how things work here in terms of national identities and linguistic identities.

Speaking a language clearly doesn't
mean understanding the country
of that language.

Please...
Do you know the linguistic situation of Europe? I don't think you do.

That is a failed argument
from authority.

 

[Estro Felino]

Yes, although my point is that, if Europe wants peace, they can refuse to cooperate with the warmongers in the U.S. government.

That's a good point.
But as for Germany and Italy, they are two US colonies, so I don't think that a colony can decide autonomously.

 

[Estro Felino]

Oh, no....not that again.

Speaking a language clearly doesn't
mean understanding the country
of that language.

That is a failed argument
from authority.

Enlighten me then.
Speak of South Tyrol. What country should this land belong to?

PS: I would never try to discuss the wars in the United States, the territories and the borders because that's not my subject.

 

[libre]

I kindly remind you that Germany and Italy have been at peace for 80 years.

WW2 ended 79 years ago.
You don't get to claim that axis powers are peaceful now just because the rest of Europe beat them to a pulp with the help of the yankees.
They are conflict avoidant because they got their ***** kicked, not because of some peaceful values.

 

[Revoltingest]

Enlighten me then.
Speak of South Tyrol. What country should this land belong to?

More whataboutism.

PS: I would never try to discuss the wars in the United States, the territories and the borders because that's not my subject.

You pontificate about USA regularly.
And get it so very wrong....despite knowing the language.

 

[Estro Felino]

WW2 ended 79 years ago.
You don't get to claim that axis powers are peaceful now just because the rest of Europe beat them to a pulp with the help of the yankees.
They are conflict avoidant because they got their asses kicked, not because of some peaceful values.

This is incredibly offensive.

No...the reason why we are peaceful is because we have evolved from the warlike stage.
In fact....the evidence is that Scholz and Tajani have clearly said: " we are not at war with Russia".

Whereas your elitist cabal of warmongers, pushes for war, for WW3 and the escalation of the conflict.
So it's your country which hasn't evolved from that warlike stage. It has still the constitution of 2 centuries ago, whereas we have anti-war constitutions.

 

[Estro Felino]

More whataboutism.

You pontificate about USA regularly.
And get it so very wrong....despite knowing the language.

I have just asked questions about the US.
I have never tried to discuss borders or languages because I have no idea of that subject.

 

[Estro Felino]

They are conflict avoidant because they got their asses kicked, not because of some peaceful values.

Actually this refined detail you mentioned is a good point: because that defeat made us understand how primitive and animalistic war is.

 

[Daemon Sophic]

In general, most citizens of the USA want peace for Ukraine following the complete withdrawal of Russian forces from those Ukrainian lands demarcated by the borders that were in effect 5 years ago. If Russia wants to diplomatically discuss land transfer from Ukraine to Russia after that point, then have at it. But when Russia unilaterally started the war by entering/invading sovereign Ukrainian territory, then they remain in the wrong until they are all gone.

It would seem that most Europeans agree with this sentiment.
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/at-y...inion-on-the-war-against-ukraine-20240223.pdf

As one might expect, with the ever-mounting costs of fighting the Russian aggressors, support is gradually declining; but the majority still support the sanctions against Russia, and military aid to Ukraine.
European public opinion remains supportive of Ukraine

Actually this refined detail you mentioned is a good point: because that defeat made us understand how primitive and animalistic war is.

Yet you wish to reward the primitive animals (Putin) for starting the slaughter of a people who were not at war with him or his nation?
That undeniably indicates that you either haven't learned, or you forgot what had been learned.


Edit: No, I do not want war. Yes, I want the Russian war against Ukraine to end. Yes, I always prefer peace.

 

[Revoltingest]

I have just asked questions about the US.

That is so not true.
You've made many claims about US.