Europe wants peace

[Aupmanyav]

It could.

Then carry on (till no more Ukrainians are left to fight the war).

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Then carry on (till no more Ukrainians are left to fight the war).

Thart is not the only possible outcome.

 

[Aupmanyav]

That is not the only possible outcome.

Yeah, that should be understood, and feared.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Yeah, that should be understood, and feared.

Can you rephrase that?

 

[Stevicus]

That's a good point.
But as for Germany and Italy, they are two US colonies, so I don't think that a colony can decide autonomously.

If they made a clear public statement telling the U.S. to remove all military forces, I don't see how the U.S. government could legally refuse.

 

[soulsurvivor]

If Washington DC stops giving weapons to the former comedian of Kiev, there will be peace.

The US is mainly giving Ukraine defensive weapons so it can protect itself within its own borders. They only allow the weapons to be used across the border only when Russia is using the border area for the invasion.

You are basically saying Russia should be allowed to bomb and to use heavy artillery fire against Ukraine as much as it wants without any resistance. Very strange attitude!

If your neighbors get invaded by heavily armed robbers, you would not help them, because you 'want peace'? You would silently watch them being beaten and raped? I am glad you are not my neighbor.

 

[Estro Felino]

If they made a clear public statement telling the U.S. to remove all military forces, I don't see how the U.S. government could legally refuse.

Neither Germany nor Italy have a problem with US military forces.
They just don't want to be forced to send weapons to Ukraine, just to satisfy the elitist cabal that gives orders to the WH too.

I know for sure that both countries are not free to decide.

 

[Estro Felino]

The US is mainly giving Ukraine defensive weapons so it can protect itself within its own borders. They only allow the weapons to be used across the border only when Russia is using the border area for the invasion.

You are basically saying Russia should be allowed to bomb and to use heavy artillery fire against Ukraine as much as it wants without any resistance. Very strange attitude!

If your neighbors get invaded by heavily armed robbers, you would not help them, because you 'want peace'? You would silently watch them being beaten and raped? I am glad you are not my neighbor.

Maybe you ignore that as for Russia, the war is terminated. The Kremlin has annexed the four regions. Period.
The war goes on because some elitist cabal overseas is forcing Zelenskyy to keep fighting, to conquer those four regions back.

 

[Altfish]

If Putin won, would that affect your country?
No, it wouldn't.

Of course it would!
Ukraine is a country of c40m people, many (most) would not want to live under a oppressive Soviet government, so we will have vast numbers of refugees most heading for Europe.
Ukraine is one of the key bread baskets of Europe, food will be affected long term.
Putin will NOT stop at Ukraine, he will be enthused by this 'victory'

 

[Estro Felino]

If they made a clear public statement telling the U.S. to remove all military forces, I don't see how the U.S. government could legally refuse.

Watch this, Stevicus.
This will make you understand that our countries (and I include many others) are not free to say No to the elitist cabal of warmongers that are probably linked to the US MIC.

 

[Estro Felino]

Of course it would!
Ukraine is a country of c40m people, many (most) would not want to live under a oppressive Soviet government, so we will have vast numbers of refugees most heading for Europe.

Which many Europeans would love.
Especially the Christian Nationalists who would be glad to welcome white Christian migrants.
(Yes, I know, now you will bring up the racism thing, I am used to that )

Ukraine is one of the key bread baskets of Europe, food will be affected long term.

We are speaking of four regions filled with steppe and rivers.
The most agricultural lands are in the so called "European Ukraine". That is free and totally controlled by Kiev.

Putin will NOT stop at Ukraine, he will be enthused by this 'victory'

That's not absolutely true.
Putin has said that they just had to satisfy the requests of the four regions to be admitted to the Russian Federation.
And that he had to invade to do that.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I understand what you are saying, but I don't think it makes any difference, unfortunately.

Yes, I know that, of course. I was trying to be a little ironic, since that is what the situation itself is.

 

[Altfish]

That's not absolutely true.
Putin has said that they just had to satisfy the requests of the four regions to be admitted to the Russian Federation.
And that he had to invade to do that.

Really! You really are in Putin's pocket.

 

[Estro Felino]

Really! You really are in Putin's pocket.

You only need to watch the two hours of interview with Putin by Carlson.

After that interview, the pro-Putin sentiment rose by 90% here.
Because people here did watch it.

 

[Altfish]

You only need to watch the two hours of interview with Putin by Carlson.

After that interview, the pro-Putin sentiment rose by 90% here.
Because people here did watch it.

I've watched it. I felt sick that a Trump sycophant could lower himself to fawn in front of their hero.
A MAGA follower interviewing a dictator is not scrutiny.
It is like the right in the UK, they won't put themself in front of their critics. That's why so many are now crashing and burning when they face the public in the run up the election.

 

[Estro Felino]

I've watched it. I felt sick that a Trump sycophant could lower himself to fawn in front of their hero.
A MAGA follower interviewing a dictator is not scrutiny.
It is like the right in the UK, they won't put themself in front of their critics. That's why so many are now crashing and burning when they face the public in the run up the election.

I would say to Carlson: what are you doing the US?
You can move to Budapest or Bratislava...beautiful countries that share the same values as you.

 

[Stevicus]

The decisions made cold war era and our decisive choice to not utilize a bombs to conquer, despite the "threat" I'm sure played a very well played role in human history as well as international cooperation.

I agree, although I was just pointing out that different factions have had different ideas as to what it means to defend America or America's interests. Patton's complaint about politicians was that they start wars, but they never want to finish any wars. They always want to leave another war to fight. MacArthur's complaint was similar, and there were even more complaints about the U.S. government's policies in Vietnam. It was the same with Cuba, which could have been neutralized immediately before the Soviets had a chance to send any missiles.

You question the threat of communism; I question the threat of democracy. Geopolitical strategy aside, do you think that avoiding alliances with other territories to be something to be pursued, as opposed to the former? If not for geopolitical purposes, what other reason would there be to create such alliances or to pursue peaceful relations? I ask because you seemed to suggest that geopolitical moves are something bad.

I think the government's actions and rhetoric from that era would indicate a certain two-faced, duplicitous approach to foreign policy.

They screamed like banshees about the supposed "grave threat" of international communism and Soviet expansionism, but when it came time to actually meet that threat and deal with it, they mostly chickened out.

So, either they were lying when they said that communism was a threat, or they were never really that serious about defending America's interest or freedom in the world.

More often than not, such rhetoric was used as a convenient pretext to wage undeclared wars, military actions, and covert operations on a global scale, in addition to supporting brutal tinpot dictatorships and curbing civil liberties here at home. As a result, America's reputation in the world has suffered immensely, and I don't think it will be seen as a "well-played role in human history."

 

[Balthazzar]

I agree, although I was just pointing out that different factions have had different ideas as to what it means to defend America or America's interests. Patton's complaint about politicians was that they start wars, but they never want to finish any wars. They always want to leave another war to fight. MacArthur's complaint was similar, and there were even more complaints about the U.S. government's policies in Vietnam. It was the same with Cuba, which could have been neutralized immediately before the Soviets had a chance to send any missiles.



I think the government's actions and rhetoric from that era would indicate a certain two-faced, duplicitous approach to foreign policy.

They screamed like banshees about the supposed "grave threat" of international communism and Soviet expansionism, but when it came time to actually meet that threat and deal with it, they mostly chickened out.

So, either they were lying when they said that communism was a threat, or they were never really that serious about defending America's interest or freedom in the world.

More often than not, such rhetoric was used as a convenient pretext to wage undeclared wars, military actions, and covert operations on a global scale, in addition to supporting brutal tinpot dictatorships and curbing civil liberties here at home. As a result, America's reputation in the world has suffered immensely, and I don't think it will be seen as a "well-played role in human history."

You may be correct, but I'm hard pressed to think our representatives failed to act according to this nation's best interests. I'm certain most would have likewise acted according to their own, also. It's the broad brush of government action that the rest of us are subject to. I'm guessing the non action came from want for peaceful relations and less violence. The pitfall of diplomacy and negotiation is that it's slow going and often enough involves compromise. For example, at least in terms of effect and process, you decide you would like to own a Ferrari. So maybe you could steal one quicker than you could earn one, but would that theft justify the means by which it was obtained?

 

[Magic Man]

Europe wants peace.
These latest EU elections have showed it.

So this is a message to my friends from the United States:
do respect Europeans' desire of peace and may God enlighten you as well...and make you desire peace with Russia.
Thank you.

I think we all want peace with Russia, just not at the cost of giving them Ukraine. If they decide to stop trying to invade other countries, we'll have peace. If they continue their invasion, we won't.

 

[Pogo]

Neither Germany nor Italy have a problem with US military forces.
They just don't want to be forced to send weapons to Ukraine, just to satisfy the elitist cabal that gives orders to the WH too.

I know for sure that both countries are not free to decide.

Yeah, right, your Kool aid consumption has reached saturation.
George Soros conspiracy theories? Dial it back, you are becoming a joke.