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Even Republicans are beginning to notice Trump's dementia.

F1fan

Veteran Member
Whether Trump has dementia or not his antics in the second Carroll lawsuit was nothing more than self-sabotage. He was ordered to pay over $83 million in punitive damages. At the beginning of the trial the expectation was 10-12 million dollars. The jury was obviously negatively impressed by Trump’s behavior and it cost him greatly.

All he had to do was follow court rules and be respectful. He can’t control himself. And this is a person that most conservatives want as president?

I hope Trump keeps acting like this and is driven into more irrational behavior so that it turns off voters. Biden is not popular but he is stable, and that is what the USA needs with dire international relations brewing.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Why does that matter?
Because people usually do not stop at just the accusations. Do you not remember how I showed how the reports of the former worker for Biden were refuted? It looked so bad that the accuser's attorney left the case. In other words he could see that it was a no win situation for him as more information came out.

Accusations often make headlines. Refutations of accusations are not nearly as newsworthy. The usual reason one does not hear anything for years is that those early blockbuster accusations were refuted.
 

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
Because people usually do not stop at just the accusations. Do you not remember how I showed how the reports of the former worker for Biden were refuted? It looked so bad that the accuser's attorney left the case. In other words he could see that it was a no win situation for him as more information came out.

Accusations often make headlines. Refutations of accusations are not nearly as newsworthy. The usual reason one does not hear anything for years is that those early blockbuster accusations were refuted.
Sounds like you believe trumps accusers but not bidens. Both cases are solely based on one persons account. Ok
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Sounds like you believe trumps accusers but not bidens. Both cases are solely based on one persons account. Ok
Yes, because their stories do not fall apart over the years. And do you seriously not remember when Trump showed that he was a liar in the first E. Jean Carroll case? He lied when he said "She is not my type". I know, poor excuse, but then he was desperate for excuses.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
@Clizby Wampuscat , Trump bragged about grabbing women in the crotch and that he gets away with it. What life experience has Trump had that made that a truthful statement? And he did get away with it for decades. Well not anymore. That is the criminal and civil justice systems.

This is a guy who cheated on his wife with porn stars He paid them off for their silence. Yet you think he’s not guilty of rape?
 

Laniakea

Not of this world
Whether Trump has dementia or not his antics in the second Carroll lawsuit was nothing more than self-sabotage. He was ordered to pay over $83 million in punitive damages. At the beginning of the trial the expectation was 10-12 million dollars. The jury was obviously negatively impressed by Trump’s behavior and it cost him greatly.

All he had to do was follow court rules and be respectful. He can’t control himself. And this is a person that most conservatives want as president?

I hope Trump keeps acting like this and is driven into more irrational behavior so that it turns off voters. Biden is not popular but he is stable, and that is what the USA needs with dire international relations brewing.
An award that high is just further evidence that it was a vindictive judgement. If they would have given the accuser what she wanted, that would have been considered a simple judgement for her side. But to multiply it many time over, that shows it was vindictive, and will just get Trump more support, just as all the indictments did.
Plus, that woman will never see a dime of it.
 

Laniakea

Not of this world
Trump has poor character and his accusers are credible.

Biden has good character and his one accuser does not.

So all this crucial information is what you ignore. The question is why you sabotage your reputation by supporting a criminal candidate.
If you say so.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
An award that high is just further evidence that it was a vindictive judgement. If they would have given the accuser what she wanted, that would have been considered a simple judgement for her side. But to multiply it many time over, that shows it was vindictive, and will just get Trump more support, just as all the indictments did.
Plus, that woman will never see a dime of it.
I see that you do not understand justice either. No, punitive damages have to be higher for the rich, otherwise they are not punitive.

And guess what? So far it worked. Trump Tweeted after the decision and he wisely (for once) did not mention E. Jean Carroll.
 

Laniakea

Not of this world
I see that you do not understand justice either. No, punitive damages have to be higher for the rich, otherwise they are not punitive.

And guess what? So far it worked. Trump Tweeted after the decision and he wisely (for once) did not mention E. Jean Carroll.
Not that he doesn't have every right to. If someone makes accusations against him, he has every right to speak in defense of himself. But I can see that you believe that some people don't have even a First Amendment right. Especially if it's someone you don't like.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
An award that high is just further evidence that it was a vindictive judgement.
Too bad you weren't on the jury. Since you weren't your opinion is irrelevant. Trump has to deal with the verdict.
If they would have given the accuser what she wanted, that would have been considered a simple judgement for her side.
Juries decide. Trump probably would have faced the 10-12 million had he not shown up in court and broken rules, and disrespected the court and the jury. Trump is in self-sabotage mode. It's all on him. And his terrible lawyer.
But to multiply it many time over, that shows it was vindictive, and will just get Trump more support, just as all the indictments did.
The jury had nothing against Trump. Trump made a mockery of himself and acted like a fool. He brought it on himself. He's an idiot, or mentally ill. Or both.
Plus, that woman will never see a dime of it.
Sorry, but he will be compelled to pay. According to reporting Trump has already arranged for the money in escrow so he can appeal. If he wins the appeal it will only mean there is a reduced sum. He will lose regardless since the trial was about HOW MUCH, not about whether he defamed her again. I'm not sure if the assets are cash or collateral, but either way he will forfiet some if not all of it.

Let's note that Carroll's lawyers are exceptional, and have beaten Trump every time. And next week Trump will face a fine of between 250 to 370 million from fraud. When will Trump be a winner? All he has is his supporters. Have you sent him money? If not, why not?
 

Sargonski

Well-Known Member
Then why did you change the topic to Trump's rape of Carroll? People draw conclusions based upon the arguments that you use.


And how have they not? Here is an error that you made. You complained about the amount of the penalty. When it comes to defamation the penalty has to take into account the wealth of the person doing the defaming. A poor person that defamed another could be seriously hit by a $1,000.00 fine. But Trump claims to be a multibillionaire. $12,000,000 to him would be chump change. You will note that it did not stop him from defaming Carroll even more. That is why a penalty of 100 million would not be unreasonable for him. Monetarily is it insane to have the same pay outs for that sort of crime for a rich person and a poor person.


Now this is a strawman argument. The charge was much worse than that. He went beyond copping a feel. And Trump clearly disagrees with you on the amount of the fine. It did not stop him. He kept defaming her. It was clearly not high enough which is why there was a second trial.


Once again you are not paying attention. That is not for just for damages. That is for damages and penalty. Trump told us with his own behavior that the penalty was not high enough.

Oh thank you for admitting that you are wrong again.

You have no clue what a strawman argument and you have no proof that he went beyond copping a feel .. and why would you care that Trump disagree's with the amount of the fine. The fine is obscene .. and you claiming I admitted I was wring is a strawman fallacy ..

What words were put in your mouth such that you are claiming strawman friend ? time to figure out what a strawman fallacy is.
 

Sargonski

Well-Known Member
Too bad you weren't on the jury. Since you weren't your opinion is irrelevant. Trump has to deal with the verdict.

Juries decide. Trump probably would have faced the 10-12 million had he not shown up in court and broken rules, and disrespected the court and the jury. Trump is in self-sabotage mode. It's all on him. And his terrible lawyer.

The jury had nothing against Trump. Trump made a mockery of himself and acted like a fool. He brought it on himself. He's an idiot, or mentally ill. Or both.

Sorry, but he will be compelled to pay. According to reporting Trump has already arranged for the money in escrow so he can appeal. If he wins the appeal it will only mean there is a reduced sum. He will lose regardless since the trial was about HOW MUCH, not about whether he defamed her again. I'm not sure if the assets are cash or collateral, but either way he will forfiet some if not all of it.

Let's note that Carroll's lawyers are exceptional, and have beaten Trump every time. And next week Trump will face a fine of between 250 to 370 million from fraud. When will Trump be a winner? All he has is his supporters. Have you sent him money? If not, why not?

Don't worry F1 .. Trump will be President soon and will put an end to these kangaroo shinannigans .. take us from the Prog Blue totalitarian path of destruction.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Don't worry F1 .. Trump will be President soon and will put an end to these kangaroo shinannigans .. take us from the Prog Blue totalitarian path of destruction.
A prediction based on fear. Trump is in a downward spiral. How do you think he gets enough votes witout cheating?
 

Sargonski

Well-Known Member
A prediction based on fear. Trump is in a downward spiral. How do you think he gets enough votes witout cheating?

Not that I do not fear another 4 years of the disaster we know as the Blue team .. but Trump's chances of getting back in to the White house are looking pretty good .. not so much thanks to anything Trump has done, but how horrific the alternative has become with Genocide Joe and the prog cancel club at the helm.
 
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