Everyone, whether they choose to admit it or not is religious.

[Flat Earth Kyle]

I do not possess a fundamental set of beliefs and practices.

Do you believe breathing is essential to your survival? If so it is an essential belief and practice that in order to survive you must breathe.

 

[gnomon]

Do you believe breathing is essential to your survival? If so it is an essential belief and practice that in order to survive you must breathe.

I don't believe it is essential.

I know it is essential. This knowledge can be confirmed with proof as exhibited in people not surviving when they don't breathe.

Therefore, by definition, this is not a fundamental belief. It is proven knowledge.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

Oh, so you believe me when I tell you that you have to breathe if you want live.

Belief:something believed; an opinion or conviction:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/belief

 

[outhouse]

the whole thread is double facepalm material.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

only cause you can't prove it wrong.

 

[waitasec]

Oh, so you believe me when I tell you that you have to breathe if you want live.

breathing is not an act of faith.
you breath you live, you don't you die. that isn't a belief it is fact.

 

[gnomon]

Oh, so you believe me when I tell you that you have to breathe if you want live.

Your statements are irrelevant to the facts of the matter.

In fact, this particular statement of yours is no different than walking up to someone playing a guitar and stating, "You are playing a guitar.". The reality of the matter exists regardless of you.

 

[waitasec]

only cause you can't prove it wrong.

still waiting....

the deffinition is of or pertaining to religion, and thus the definition of religious connects perfectly with "Religion: a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:

so?
read that statement again and explain to me how that means everyone

then if it did apply to everyone the definition would read
Religion: a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon everyone
but it doesn't...wonder why?

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

breathing is not an act of faith.
you breath you live, you don't you die. that isn't a belief it is fact.

Did you see the word faith in the definitions I gave you, I sure didn't.

Tell me which of these deffinitions has the word faith in it.

Religious: Of or pertaining to religion

Religion: a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:*
Dictionary.com

Belief: something*believed;**an*opinion*or*conviction:*a*belief*thatthe*earth*is*flat.
Dictionary.com

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

also note that the word generally doesn't mean always.

 

[waitasec]

Did you see the word faith in the definitions I gave you, I sure didn't.

Tell me which of these deffinitions has the word faith in it.

Religious: Of or pertaining to religion

Religion: a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:*
Dictionary.com

Belief: something*believed;**an*opinion*or*conviction:*a*belief*thatthe*earth*is*flat.
Dictionary.com

he doesn't have to BELIEVE you if you say you have to breathe...
he KNOWS he has to.
can't you see that your argument is wrong on many many levels..
if were true it would be difficult to come up with argument to refute it...
such as the fact that we KNOW we need to breath in order to live...no argument there...who would argue against that fact.

still waiting

Originally Posted by yaddoe
the deffinition is of or pertaining to religion, and thus the definition of religious connects perfectly with "Religion: a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:

Originally Posted by waitasec
so?
read that statement again and explain to me how that means everyone
then if it did apply to everyone the definition would read
Religion: a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon everyone
but it doesn't...wonder why?

 

[waitasec]

also note that the word generally doesn't mean always.

Religion: a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:*
Dictionary.com

your thread:
everyone is religious.

you just refuted yourself.

 

[Meow Mix]

Thinking about the word equivocal, thank you for teaching me that word. The Bible is very equivocal, that is why there are so many Christian religions in the world today!

Equivocation done in a certain way is a logical fallacy, though. You're committing that fallacy in this thread. As everyone else has already noted this, I don't see how I can argue it to you any more plainly than I already have; so we may just have to agree to disagree. You can think of everyone as "religious," and everyone else in this thread will just know that you're twisting semantics (knowingly or not). We're cool :beach:

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

he doesn't have to BELIEVE you if you say you have to breathe...
he KNOWS he has to.
can't you see that your argument is wrong on many many levels..
if were true it would be difficult to come up with argument to refute it...
such as the fact that we KNOW we need to breath in order to live...no argument there...who would argue against that fact.

still waiting

The only reason you know you have to breathe is because you believed someone who told you that you have to breathe. In Biology class you read a biology book with a ton of stuff in it that diagram the lungs and how they work. Have you ever seen someone cut open and seen their lungs out on the table and put them them under the microscope. My guess is probably not. You believed the things your text book told you without actually having to experience all that for yourself.
When you go to the doctor because you broke a leg and they x-ray you to show you where and how your leg is broken. They never cut you open and showed you your bone and where and how it was broken, you believed the things the doctor said and you believed that the X-ray plastic paper thing the doctor is showing you is true and accurate and that it is your leg you are looking at.

 

[McBell]

also note that the word generally doesn't mean always.

Interesting that you do not seem to understand how you just refuted your own argument.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

Religion: a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:*
Dictionary.com

your thread:
everyone is religious.

you just refuted yourself.

I think you missed the point when I said generally does not mean always.
this means that it does not always have to be agreed upon by multiple persons.
I am stating that everyone has their own personal religion.

 

[gnomon]

The only reason you know you have to breathe is because you believed someone who told you that you have to breathe. In Biology class you read a biology book with a ton of stuff in it that diagram the lungs and how they work. Have you ever seen someone cut open and seen their lungs out on the table and put them them under the microscope. My guess is probably not. You believed the things your text book told you without actually having to experience all that for yourself.
When you go to the doctor because you broke a leg and they x-ray you to show you where and how your leg is broken. They never cut you open and showed you your bone and where and how it was broken, you believed the things the doctor said and you believed that the X-ray plastic paper thing the doctor is showing you is true and accurate and that it is your leg you are looking at.

I've taken it you've never held your breath before.

I recommend to everyone not to hold theirs until you understand the concept of equivocation.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

I've taken it you've never held your breath before.

I recommend to everyone not to hold theirs until you understand the concept of equivocation.

Have you ever seen someone die from holding their breath? I haven't. Your body seems to have a subconscious belief that it is a good idea to breathe and stay alive. It seems to believe that it is a good idea to stay alive and a bad idea to die. If it believed it was a good idea to die I think you would be dead.

 

[gnomon]

Have you ever seen someone die from holding their breath? I haven't. Your body seems to have a subconscious belief that it is a good idea to breathe and stay alive. It seems to believe that it is a good idea to stay alive and a bad idea to die. If it believed it was a good idea to die I think you would be dead.

The body has a subconscious belief?

Are you now posing some new age quantum concept that the various, distinct parts of the body have a mind of their own? Will you then pose that various body organs have religious beliefs as well?

 

[waitasec]

The only reason you know you have to breathe is because you believed someone who told you that you have to breathe.
In Biology class you read a biology book with a ton of stuff in it that diagram the lungs and how they work. Have you ever seen someone cut open and seen their lungs out on the table and put them them under the microscope. My guess is probably not. You believed the things your text book told you without actually having to experience all that for yourself.
When you go to the doctor because you broke a leg and they x-ray you to show you where and how your leg is broken. They never cut you open and showed you your bone and where and how it was broken, you believed the things the doctor said and you believed that the X-ray plastic paper thing the doctor is showing you is true and accurate and that it is your leg you are looking at.

what the hell are you talking about?
no one told me i had to breath ....i just did it because if i didn't i'd die.
why don't you hold your breathe and see what happens, if it is your belief that breathing is a belief lets see what happens...:slap:

still waiting
for you adress my point...
seems to me you are ducking

Originally Posted by yaddoe
the deffinition is of or pertaining to religion, and thus the definition of religious connects perfectly with "Religion: a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:

Originally Posted by waitasec
explain to me how that means everyone