Everyone, whether they choose to admit it or not is religious.

[AmbiguousGuy]

Just remember a religion is a system of beliefs, not just one. Everyone has a system of beliefs that they hold to.

'A system of beliefs' is entirely dependent on language. One can't have a belief unless the belief exists in actual words.

So humans had no religion until we developed a sophisticated language system, in your view?

Maybe 10,000 years ago? 4,000 years ago?

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

well, why don't head on over to his cloud for a coffee? :sarcastic

unfortunately for you, religion requires religious faith. not everyone has religious faith...so not everyone is religious.


you've taken a step into a larger world...that is why faith presents itself with a conundrum...
the very notion of having someone fulfill prophecy in order to prove they are who they claim they are while claiming faith is what it takes to believe in who they are, is a walking contradiction.



wow.

I'm sorry, drinking coffee is against the Word of Wisdom.

The definition I gave said nothing concerning the need for religious faith.
"a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices"

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

'A system of beliefs' is entirely dependent on language. One can't have a belief unless the belief exists in actual words.

So humans had no religion until we developed a sophisticated language system, in your view?

Maybe 10,000 years ago? 4,000 years ago?

not true. You don't need to know how to speak in order to believe that if man touches fire, man gets burned.

 

[gnomon]

In the fact that religion is a system of beliefs that one uses to guide one's life, every decision a person makes whether good or bad is based on religion.

according to www.Merriam-webster.com
Religion: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices


Oh okay, noting the word religious in the definition of religion is defining the word with the word. It is as you say circular reasoning to do so

according to dictionary.com the word religious means
"of, pertaining to, or concerned with religion: a religious holiday."
pretty much something or someone that has something to do with religion

okay, what is religion? Religion - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

a system of beliefs

What is ardor? ardor means loyalty
What is faith? firm belief in something for which there is no proof
What is an opinion? belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge
What is a thought? something (as an opinion or belief) in the mind <he spoke his thoughts freely>
Religion - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Wow, so long as someone has an opinion on something they are religious.

The definition is stated as a set of religious attitudes, beliefs and practices. Religious. It applies to every term in that statement. It's religious attitudes, religious beliefs and religious practices. Not attitudes, beliefs and practices.

So if my beliefs, attitudes and practices are not religious I am not a religious person. Well, my beliefs, attitudes and practices are not religious therefore I am not a religious person.

That simple logical conclusion was reached using the exact definition from that website.

 

[waitasec]

i think this need to be addressed

You seem to be trying to separate the definition at the wrong place. You stop after "a personal set". However, if you read the sentence properly it makes two statements.

It reads this way as well: A personal set of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices OR an institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices.

This definition actually hinges on the word "religious". Religious and religion are not the same words even though you were trying to say they were earlier if I recall. So then what is "religious"?

Merriam-Webster defines religious as: relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity

Therefore, to complete the whole description one can state:

"A religion is a personal set or an institutionalized system of attitudes, beliefs, and practices relating to or manifesting personal devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity."

Now, if one does not acknowledge some form of "ultimate reality" (inferring something beyond just "reality") or deity then they are not, by strict definition, religious.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

Just because of all the confusion i and circular reasoning in the definition of religion containing the word religious, I'll share another definition of religion that does not contain the word religious.
I have stated this earlier, but I will state it again
Religion: a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
Religion | Define Religion at Dictionary.com

therefore we no longer hinge on the definitions of religious.

 

[waitasec]

this too needs to be addressed.

The definition is stated as a set of religious attitudes, beliefs and practices. Religious. It applies to every term in that statement. It's religious attitudes, religious beliefs and religious practices. Not attitudes, beliefs and practices.

So if my beliefs, attitudes and practices are not religious I am not a religious person. Well, my beliefs, attitudes and practices are not religious therefore I am not a religious person.

That simple logical conclusion was reached using the exact definition from that website.

 

[waitasec]

Just because of all the confusion i and circular reasoning in the definition of religion containing the word religious, I'll share another definition of religion that does not contain the word religious.
I have stated this earlier, but I will state it again
Religion: a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
Religion | Define Religion at Dictionary.com

therefore we no longer hinge on the definitions of religious.

because religious was used as an adjective...

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

I just answered that. No where once in that definition did it say the word religious.

 

[Draka]

Just because of all the confusion i and circular reasoning in the definition of religion containing the word religious, I'll share another definition of religion that does not contain the word religious.
I have stated this earlier, but I will state it again
Religion: a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
Religion | Define Religion at Dictionary.com

therefore we no longer hinge on the definitions of religious.

The definition of religious is quite required for this thread. As it is your assertion that everyone is religious is it not? How are you to make "religious" not applicable when it is your very argument that everyone is religious?

Honestly, it just looks like moving goalposts as you appear to be proven wrong time and time again and you keep wanting to deny that.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

the deffinition is of or pertaining to religion, and thus the definition of religious connects perfectly with "Religion: a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

I just keep proving myself right and so none of the claims against me stick.

 

[gnomon]

"system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices."
what makes you think the word religious applies to all three words.
stating religious attitudes is obvious.
however it doesn't say religious beliefs and religious practices.

It is odd that you find the word religious in the definition of religion.
" of, relating to, or devoted to religious beliefs or observances <joined a religious order>
even odder is the fact that you find the word religious in the definition of religious.
it is circular reasoning and makes no sense.
the next definition of the word religious is
of, pertaining to, or concerned with religion: a religious holiday.

Just because of all the confusion i and circular reasoning in those definitions, I'll share another definition of religion that does not contain the word religious.
I have stated this earlier, but I will state it again
Religion: a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
Religion | Define Religion at Dictionary.com

I say it refers to all three because it does. It would be redundant to state religious attitudes, religious beliefs and religious practices. The qualifier religious applies to every term. It's a common way to extend a qualifier to multiple objects in the English language. For example, if I say I want a set of blue plates, cups and forks for the party it is understood that all objects are to be blue. If I wanted to be more specific I would say I want blue plates, red cups and white forks.

The other definition highlighted above is a common one but it doesn't apply to everyone. It's still a more general definition than one commonly used in everyday language, which is a system of beliefs specifically referencing a god concept, and even more general than a sociological definition defining religion as a set of rituals used to transfer cultural mores. Though the highlighted definition does allow for newer religious concepts such as alien based (think Raellians) that are nontraditional or Zen buddhism that lacks a traditional theistic concept.

But it still doesn't snag every kind of belief or practice into it's meaning.

 

[Draka]

All this appears to be is you picking out different statements here and there in definitions from different sources, being twisted around to suit your desires.

Flat out...religious is: relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity

Do you not agree with that definition? And if not, why? Is only your preferred definition of the word applicable? And if so, why?

 

[waitasec]

i suspect the title of this thread was a statement of faith, therefore religiously rendered un-refutable ....

 

[Draka]

I just keep proving myself right and so none of the claims against me stick.

You haven't proven anything here other than your ability to twist meanings where it suits you and your uncanny ability to do this :ignore:

 

[waitasec]

You haven't proven anything here other than your ability to twist meanings where it suits you and your uncanny ability to do this :ignore:

impressive isn't it?
:sarcastic

 

[waitasec]

the deffinition is of or pertaining to religion, and thus the definition of religious connects perfectly with "Religion: a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:

so?
read that statement again and explain to me how that means everyone

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

The other definition highlighted above is a common one but it doesn't apply to everyone. It's still a more general definition than one commonly used in everyday language, which is a system of beliefs specifically referencing a god concept, and even more general than a sociological definition defining religion as a set of rituals used to transfer cultural mores. Though the highlighted definition does allow for newer religious concepts such as alien based (think Raellians) that are nontraditional or Zen buddhism that lacks a traditional theistic concept.

But it still doesn't snag every kind of belief or practice into it's meaning.

It does apply to everyone because everyone has "a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices" Therefore, if everyone has a religion, everyone is religious.

 

[gnomon]

It does apply to everyone because everyone has "a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices" Therefore, if everyone has a religion, everyone is religious.

I do not possess a fundamental set of beliefs and practices.