Everyone, whether they choose to admit it or not is religious.

[Flat Earth Kyle]

religion:
a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices.

faith:
something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs.

Faith doesn't always have to be in something in which there is no proof.

 

[Meow Mix]

religion:
a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices.

faith:
something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs.

Faith doesn't always have to be in something in which there is no proof.

Religious faith is though. There is indeed more than one context of the word "faith," but only one relevant context when it comes to religion.

There is a difference between "I have faith that God exists" or "I have faith that I'll be reincarnated" from a different context like "I have faith that my friend will come through for me" or "I have faith that the sun will appear to rise tomorrow."

The first two are religious in nature; the second two are just synonyms for the word confidence and are based on justification (namely, they're based on induction).

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

In the fact that religion is a system of beliefs that one uses to guide one's life, every decision a person makes whether good or bad is based on religion.

according to www.Merriam-webster.com
Religion: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices


Oh okay, noting the word religious in the definition of religion is defining the word with the word. It is as you say circular reasoning to do so

according to dictionary.com the word religious means
"of, pertaining to, or concerned with religion: a religious holiday."
pretty much something or someone that has something to do with religion

okay, what is religion? Religion - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

a system of beliefs

What is ardor? ardor means loyalty
What is faith? firm belief in something for which there is no proof
What is an opinion? belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge
What is a thought? something (as an opinion or belief) in the mind <he spoke his thoughts freely>
Religion - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Wow, so long as someone has an opinion on something they are religious.

I'm an auto racing nut. I also happen to not believe in God.

If I find a Mormon who's also an auto racing nut, would it be correct to say that he shares my religion?

 

[Meow Mix]

I'm an auto racing nut.

Where's my eyebrow quirk/scoot away in my seat smiley when I need it?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Where's my eyebrow quirk/scoot away in my seat smiley when I need it?

Would it help if I told you that by "auto racing", I don't mean NASCAR?

 

[Meow Mix]

Would it help if I told you that by "auto racing", I don't mean NASCAR?

Now I'm looking for my "still repulsed but slightly intrigued enough to stop scooting away, and I'm listening to you now" smiley.

It better at least involve chainsaws and rockets. Or whiskey. Does it have whiskey?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Now I'm looking for my "still repulsed but slightly intrigued enough to stop scooting away, and I'm listening to you now" smiley.

It better at least involve chainsaws and rockets. Or whiskey. Does it have whiskey?

It has whiskey afterward.

But more often beer than whiskey. However, on one occasion, it had margaritas made with a gas-powered blender.

 

[lunamoth]

It has whiskey afterward.

But more often beer than whiskey. However, on one occasion, it had margaritas made with a gas-powered blender.

Gas? How quaint.

 

[waitasec]

this thread has turned for the better...

 

[Twig pentagram]

Well, you have beliefs, they just may not be religious. No one is immune to belief.

No I don't. Why is this so hard to understand?

 

[Acim]

No I don't. Why is this so hard to understand?

Some lies are difficult to believe.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

Religious faith is though. There is indeed more than one context of the word "faith," but only one relevant context when it comes to religion.

There is a difference between "I have faith that God exists" or "I have faith that I'll be reincarnated" from a different context like "I have faith that my friend will come through for me" or "I have faith that the sun will appear to rise tomorrow."

The first two are religious in nature; the second two are just synonyms for the word confidence and are based on justification (namely, they're based on induction).

Confidence, there is a word I haven't looked up yet, lets check out this definition.

Confidence - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Confidence: faith or belief that one will act in a right, proper, or effective way <have confidence in a leader>

faith... belief... humm sounds to me like as long as one has confidence in someone or something then that person is religious.
I'm sorry your examples of faith all meant the same thing.

I really love this song about faith.
LDS Church Music Interactive Music Player

 

[Meow Mix]

Confidence, there is a word I haven't looked up yet, lets check out this definition.

Confidence - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Confidence: faith or belief that one will act in a right, proper, or effective way <have confidence in a leader>

faith... belief... humm sounds to me like as long as one has confidence in someone or something then that person is religious.
I'm sorry your examples of faith all meant the same thing.

I really love this song about faith.
LDS Church Music Interactive Music Player

You are missing the fact that "faith" in the context of confidence is different from "faith" in the context of unjustified belief.

Here's another word I encourage you to look up: equivocation. Not to be rude, but I suggest you do so because that's what you're engaging in.

Faith that my friend will be true to me or faith that the sun will rise tomorrow aren't unjustified confidences: they're based on epistemic foundations such as induction and inference.

Faith that gods exist or that I'll catch a lucky break tomorrow are largely unjustified in the epistemic sense; and rest on an entirely different contextual basis.

Equivocating the two and then declaring that everyone is religious is a mistake, no lie.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

My belief in God is no different than your belief that your friend will be true to you.

I feel this debate has taken a wrong turn. We are now arguing about the definition of faith, this thread isn't on the definition of faith, it is on the definition of religion.
I state again that Religion is a system of beliefs that one uses to guide their lives. In the fact that everyone has an opinion or belief in something, everyone is religious.


From my conversations with Yanni, I find it interesting that Yanni claims that the Jewish Religion is a religion that is not based on faith. He explained to me how if the Jewish Christ were to come today, no one would believe it was him until He fulfilled all of the prophecies that were given about him. There we go, religion does not necessarily have to include faith as in an uncertain belief in something as you are describing to me.

Faith is not the key element in this debate, it is whether or not one needs faith in order to be considered religious.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

You are missing the fact that "faith" in the context of confidence is different from "faith" in the context of unjustified belief.

Here's another word I encourage you to look up: equivocation. Not to be rude, but I suggest you do so because that's what you're engaging in.

Faith that my friend will be true to me or faith that the sun will rise tomorrow aren't unjustified confidences: they're based on epistemic foundations such as induction and inference.

Faith that gods exist or that I'll catch a lucky break tomorrow are largely unjustified in the epistemic sense; and rest on an entirely different contextual basis.

Equivocating the two and then declaring that everyone is religious is a mistake, no lie.

Definition of EQUIVOCAL Equivocal - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
1
a : subject to two or more interpretations and usually used to mislead or confuse <an equivocal statement>
b : uncertain as an indication or sign <equivocal evidence>
2
a : of uncertain nature or classification <equivocal shapes>
b : of uncertain disposition toward a person or thing : undecided <an equivocal attitude>

Dictionary.com
e·quiv·o·cal&#8194; &#8194;[ih-kwiv-uh-kuhl] Show IPA
adjective
1.
allowing the possibility of several different meanings, as a word or phrase, especially with intent to deceive or misguide; susceptible of double interpretation; deliberately ambiguous: an equivocal answer.
2.
of doubtful nature or character; questionable; dubious; suspicious: aliens of equivocal loyalty.
3.
of uncertain significance; not determined: an equivocal attitude.

I think I would of been equivocal if I just said faith and left it at that,
but in the fact that I not only said faith, but also gave the definition of the faith word I was referring to (I gave both the word and the definition of the word I was refering to) I was being very specific so there is no room for confusion. With this being so I could not of been equivocal.

 

[McBell]

I think I would of been equivocal if I just said faith and left it at that,
but in the fact that I not only said faith, but also gave the definition of the faith word I was referring to (I gave both the word and the definition of the word I was refering to) I was being very specific so there is no room for confusion. With this being so I could not of been equivocal.

Seems you are trying real hard to convince some one.
Looks to me like it is you whom you are trying to convince.

 

[McBell]

I state again that Religion is a system of beliefs that one uses to guide their lives. In the fact that everyone has an opinion or belief in something, everyone is religious.

It does not matter how many times you state it.
It will still be wrong.

Say hello to Humpty Dumpty for me, will ya?

 

[ManTimeForgot]

I certainly hope this was all a joke. Ignoring the connotations and contextual usage for words and definitions in order to try and make a point doesn't go over well with anyone who has half a brain. Its the same reason why my highschool english teachers forbid people from using a thesaurus for their essays. You have to already know the word usage and connotations in order to use a thesaurus.

Hard Work and Arduous Toil technically have the same definitions. But you would NEVER use the latter to describe shuffling papers around if you actually knew what the words meant.

Similarly you should never directly equate belief with faith (to do so is to destroy all value faith has in its extraordinary quality) and should never equate religion with collective holding of belief (I suppose that ritualized observances or practices is also associated with holding an opinion on stuff?)


The only thing that could be said to be correct about all this is that all people do indeed have a world view. And it might be argued that people act in a way that generally supports their world view (some cognitive dissonance is allowed for in that people make mistakes, etc).

But Religion and Rationality are competing world views. You can integrate expressions of personal beliefs about deep level cosmology, vis-a-vis spirituality, with rationality and science but religion has contradictory priors. I can't hold that "God" created the universe in six human days then took a nap and also believe that the universe took billions of years to reach its current state with no apparent intervention by an intelligent designer...

MTF

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

It doesn't matter how many times you tell me I'm wrong, until you can prove it your words mean nothing.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

I certainly hope this was all a joke. Ignoring the connotations and contextual usage for words and definitions in order to try and make a point doesn't go over well with anyone who has half a brain. Its the same reason why my highschool english teachers forbid people from using a thesaurus for their essays. You have to already know the word usage and connotations in order to use a thesaurus.

Hard Work and Arduous Toil technically have the same definitions. But you would NEVER use the latter to describe shuffling papers around if you actually knew what the words meant.

Similarly you should never directly equate belief with faith (to do so is to destroy all value faith has in its extraordinary quality) and should never equate religion with collective holding of belief (I suppose that ritualized observances or practices is also associated with holding an opinion on stuff?)


The only thing that could be said to be correct about all this is that all people do indeed have a world view. And it might be argued that people act in a way that generally supports their world view (some cognitive dissonance is allowed for in that people make mistakes, etc).

But Religion and Rationality are competing world views. You can integrate expressions of personal beliefs about deep level cosmology, vis-a-vis spirituality, with rationality and science but religion has contradictory priors. I can't hold that "God" created the universe in six human days then took a nap and also believe that the universe took billions of years to reach its current state with no apparent intervention by an intelligent designer...

MTF

Honestly, I never once used a thesaurus in this debate, I pulled it all out of the dictionary.
Just remember a religion is a system of beliefs, not just one. Everyone has a system of beliefs that they hold to.