Everyone who hears of Jesus but does not accept Him is going to hell.

[Desert Snake]

And maybe even some that have accepted him as well, yes?

1.) You haven't demonstrated that Jesus existed.

Nope!

2.) Even if Jesus existed, you haven't demonstrated that he was a divine being.

'Divine being'? Is that supposed to mean something to me? like a divine being,

3.) You haven't demonstrated that there's a hell.

No, I haven't. It's unfortunate that I have to demonstrate something for you to believe it, there must be a lot of things you can't believe.

4.) You haven't demonstrated that there's even an afterlife of any sort.

Nope

5.) You haven't reconciled the notion of an all-loving, benevolent deity that would nevertheless consign his creations to eternal torture for short-term infractions that involve using the powers of reason that the deity allegedly created them with in the first place.

''all loving'', is that in the Bible? Whats the context?

Let me know when you have all that hammered out and then perhaps we can talk, OK?

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Q. - If humans doubt the existence of God/Jesus, aren't they simply functioning as designed?

So you are admitting id . That's what I thought.

 

[Muffled]

I get that, but what is at work here isn't "the church setting one up." It's "the church recognizing publicly and affirming whom God has called."

I believe sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes a church will pursue its own agenda and ignore God's will.

 

[Muffled]

Please remember before God sent Jesus to earth that Jesus had a spirit body.
So, when God resurrected Jesus - Acts of the Apostles 3:15 - Jesus got back his heavenly spirit body.

Our ' spirit ' returns to God in the same way a foreclosed house returns to its owner.
The house does Not go anywhere, but the ownership of the house is in the hands of the owner.
So, our life's spirit at death does Not go anywhere but remains in God's memory.
God gave Jesus the power of the resurrection, so under Christ's millennium-long day of governing over earth Jesus will resurrect both the righteous and unrighteous - Acts of the Apostles 24:15 - with the prospect of gaining everlasting life for the majority of people to live forever on a beautiful paradisaical earth as the Garden of Eden originally was. Please notice, under Christ, the returning on earth of the Genesis ' tree of life ' for mankind at Revelation 22:2.

I believe there is no evidence to support this. The spirit of God is the same spirit in Jesus and out of Him.

I beleive this is pure fantasy. According to Paul, Jesus was resurrected in the glorified body that we will all receive at the end. Paul's description of it as a spiritual body is a misnomer and just an attempt to name it something different from a regular temporal body.

I believe this simile does not work. God is everywhere, so there is no return. There is for Jesus because He is returning to His Spirit only state.

This is total imagination on your part. A spirit free from the body can go anywhere that God allows.

 

[Muffled]

And maybe even some that have accepted him as well, yes?

I don't believe so.

1.) You haven't demonstrated that Jesus existed.

I believe I am demonstrating it now by speaking to you.

2.) Even if Jesus existed, you haven't demonstrated that he was a divine being.

I beleive I am a divine being.

3.) You haven't demonstrated that there's a hell.

I believe there is a Hell.

4.) You haven't demonstrated that there's even an afterlife of any sort.

I beleive there is an afterlife.

5.) You haven't reconciled the notion of an all-loving, benevolent deity that would nevertheless consign his creations to eternal torture for short-term infractions that involve using the powers of reason that the deity allegedly created them with in the first place.

I beleive love requires punishing the wicked. There is no reconciliation needed. Sending people to Hell is an act of love.

Let me know when you have all that hammered out and then perhaps we can talk, OK?

I don't believe your talking means much but every word I say is gold.

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Q. - If humans doubt the existence of God/Jesus, aren't they simply functioning as designed?

I believe humans are designed to know God and t is only the deceiver who has managed to cause doubts.

I beleive I can reason with you but the devil resons also and manages to deceive in the process. At least Eve thought the serpent was being reasonable.

 

[sojourner]

I believe sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes a church will pursue its own agenda and ignore God's will.

Sometimes loving people say hurtful things, too. Nobody's perfect. There has only been one perfect person and they crucified him...

 

[savagewind]

I think hell might be a human condition of becoming aware that you might have done good, but you didn't.

 

[sojourner]

I think hell might be a human condition of becoming aware that you might have done good, but you didn't.

I think hell might be a human condition of me living with my ex-wife.

 

[viole]

I believe humans are designed to know God and t is only the deceiver who has managed to cause doubts.

I beleive I can reason with you but the devil resons also and manages to deceive in the process. At least Eve thought the serpent was being reasonable.

If the devil is such an effective deceiver, how do you know that whatever you believe to be true, is not Satan deceiving you?

Ciao

- viole

 

[sojourner]

If the devil is such an effective deceiver, how do you know that whatever you believe to be true, is not Satan deceiving you?

Ciao

- viole

I always look for the little "TM" or "circle R."

 

[NulliuSINverba]

I believe humans are designed to know God

And what evidence led you to that conclusion?

and t is only the deceiver who has managed to cause doubts

And what led you to that conclusion?

I beleive I can reason with you but the devil resons also and manages to deceive in the process.

Really? How do you know that?

...

Wait. I've erred. You didn't say that you knew it. You merely said you believed it. There is a difference.

At least Eve thought the serpent was being reasonable.

Really? I thought she'd just ignorantly accepted the claim The Serpent® was making as if it were the gospel truth. You know ... without any evidence or any actual reason aside from personal testimony.

Anyway, if we assume that the Bible is true, then Eve didn't know good from evil prior to eating the Forbidden Fruit. How could anyone accuse her of knowing what was reasonable?