Everyone who hears of Jesus but does not accept Him is going to hell.

[URAVIP2ME]

I don't get my theology, from popes, or google

As far as history goes, it is Not popes or google, so to speak, but history through education of what was believed in the past.
I too do Not get my beliefs from popes or google, but from topical study of Scripture by subject arrangement.
Since the Bible is Not written ABC like a dictionary, then using all the corresponding or parallel cross-reference Bible passages and verses creates a complete picture of what the Bible really teaches.
A comprehensive concordance puts all of the Bible's words in alphabetical order for quick word reference.

' History ' will teach the meaning of the word Gehenna ( translated in KJV English as hell fire ) as being a garbage pit for destroying things forever. Please remember: the King James Version Bible is Not the original language Jesus and his apostles used.
No matter how hard one tries one can Not put Gehenna's ashes back to what they were.
So, ashes easily stand for ' destruction forever ' as the Bible really teaches at Psalms 92:7
The two choices are ' repent or perish ' - 2 Peter 3:9 - the definition of perish simply means: destruction.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

This is historically accurate. Jesus (according to Scripture) spoke of
"the lake of fire" which was the garbage dump where junk, dead animals, dead executed criminals were tossed and sulfur kept
the fires burning 24/7 to consume the trash.
I imagine the odor was significant and everyone in the area where Jesus preached would have known quite clearly what Jesus meant.
That was the trash heap that got morphed into hell, a place of
torment and destruction.

Isn't the definition of the ' lake of fire ' also as in meaning ' second death ' ( Not a second burning ) at Revelation 20:13-14 ?
In death there is No existing life - Ecclesiastes 9:5 - so ' second death ' would stand for or represent a permanent death with No future hope of life anywhere ever again either in heaven or on earth. The wicked as you know are Not roasted but annihilated - Psalms 92:7

Just to emphasize:
That trash heap (Gehenna ) got morphed into a fiery forever hell by false clergy teachings, and is Not what the Bible really teaches.

 

[Muffled]

Do a little research. The Christian "Hell" was introduced in about the 3rd century.

From the third century the darkness of the infiltration of man-made beliefs into Christianity deepened until the Dark Ages had smothered almost all the light of God’s Word. At the beginning of this time, the first attempts were made to create a systematic set of beliefs. It is not surprising that an ever-burning hell and the immortality of the soul were prominently included.

It is at this time that such beliefs, held by most Christians today, had their origin. An ever-burning hell has remained a commonly taught doctrine of the Christian religion to this day. It was not based on the Bible but on philosophy. Bible verses were later sought to uphold the ancient philosophies of the Greeks, and added to the teaching.

Link:
http://www.truthaccordingtoscripture.com/documents/death/origin-of-hell-fire.php#.VdPZuLNlxCE

I believe there is no evidence to support this fantasy.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Can you imagine living forever sick and alone?

Can you imagine Isaiah 33:24 when: No one will say, " I am sick " ?_________
Can you imagine the time mentioned by Isaiah when the blind will see, deaf will hear, etc. as described at Isaiah chapter 35 ?______
Can you imagine the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' - Revelation 22:2 - being on earth for the healing of earth's nations? ______
So, there is No forever sick and alone, but living forever on a beautiful paradisaical earth as Eden originally was.

 

[Muffled]

As far as history goes, it is Not popes or google, so to speak, but history through education of what was believed in the past.
I too do Not get my beliefs from popes or google, but from topical study of Scripture by subject arrangement.
Since the Bible is Not written ABC like a dictionary, then using all the corresponding or parallel cross-reference Bible passages and verses creates a complete picture of what the Bible really teaches.
A comprehensive concordance puts all of the Bible's words in alphabetical order for quick word reference.

' History ' will teach the meaning of the word Gehenna ( translated in KJV English as hell fire ) as being a garbage pit for destroying things forever. Please remember: the King James Version Bible is Not the original language Jesus and his apostles used.
No matter how hard one tries one can Not put Gehenna's ashes back to what they were.
So, ashes easily stand for ' destruction forever ' as the Bible really teaches at Psalms 92:7
The two choices are ' repent or perish ' - 2 Peter 3:9 - the definition of perish simply means: destruction.

I believe Gehenna is a simile for Hell and you have taken the simile beyond the meaning of fire. It is true that the body can be burned to ashes by the fire but the spirit remains in the fire.

 

[Muffled]

Isn't the definition of the ' lake of fire ' also as in meaning ' second death ' ( Not a second burning ) at Revelation 20:13-14 ?
In death there is No existing life - Ecclesiastes 9:5 - so ' second death ' would stand for or represent a permanent death with No future hope of life anywhere ever again either in heaven or on earth. The wicked as you know are Not roasted but annihilated - Psalms 92:7

Just to emphasize:
That trash heap (Gehenna ) got morphed into a fiery forever hell by false clergy teachings, and is Not what the Bible really teaches.

I believe I did not morph anything when I had John write that.I used Gehenna as a simile and lake of fire as an apt description.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

You know that I'm not an exclusivist, right? All the more reason to believe in a Hell.

Believe in which hell ? _________ There is the temporary ' biblical hell ' where Jesus went the day Jesus died - Acts of the Apostles 2:27
And there is the false teaching of a ' non-biblical hell ' of forever burning.
Jesus taught only sleep in death - John 11:11-14 - as do the old Hebrew Scriptures - Ecclesiastes 9:5; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4
So, the Bible's hell is a temporary sleeping place until the dead are awakened from death's deep sleep - Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13
Even the word cemetery means: sleeping place. (R.I.P.)

 

[savagewind]

Can you imagine Isaiah 33:24 when: No one will say, " I am sick " ?_________
Can you imagine the time mentioned by Isaiah when the blind will see, deaf will hear, etc. as described at Isaiah chapter 35 ?______
Can you imagine the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' - Revelation 22:2 - being on earth for the healing of earth's nations? ______
So, there is No forever sick and alone, but living forever on a beautiful paradisaical earth as Eden originally was.

I can imagine those. I also know what stands in the way of that life happening.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I believe Gehenna is a simile for Hell and you have taken the simile beyond the meaning of fire. It is true that the body can be burned to ashes by the fire but the spirit remains in the fire.

Gehenna and sheol are Not the same word. Gehenna (hellfire ) is the permanent dump. Sheol is the temporary place for the dead.

Where did all of Adam go at Adam's death ?__________- Genesis 3:19
Adam simply ' returned ' to the dust of the ground.
A person can Not ' return ' to a place he never was before, so all of Adam ( including Adam's life's spirit ) went back to non-life.

 

[Muffled]

Gehenna and sheol are Not the same word. Gehenna (hellfire ) is the permanent dump. Sheol is the temporary place for the dead.

Where did all of Adam go at Adam's death ?__________- Genesis 3:19
Adam simply ' returned ' to the dust of the ground.
A person can Not ' return ' to a place he never was before, so all of Adam ( including Adam's life's spirit ) went back to non-life.

I believe I never said that they were however in Greek and Norse cultures the grave and the fiery place are combined.

I believe this is a non-sequitur. I believe you have assumed that Adam returning to the dust means all of him but the text does not explicitly say so. So reasoning from the part to the whole is illogical.

I believe God breathed in the spirit and not from the dust so there is no reason to believe the spirit has to go to the dust.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Genesis 2:7 God breathed the ' breath of life ' (does Not say spirit ) into lifeless Adam.
Adam went from non-life, to life, and returned back to non-life or non-existence. Genesis 3:19
As a light bulb goes out when disconnected from its source, Adam's life left him at death because Adam became disconnected from his Source of life. Once sinning, like a fan disconnected from its source, Adam slowing wound down until he completely stopped living.

 

[sojourner]

I know it's not black and white, nothing really is. You're preaching to the choir on that one. But there are shades on of good and bad on that gradient scale. I would say without hesitancy there are those who are in fact more qualified to speak and to teach others, than some who have no depth of knowledge and assume that just because they read it on the page, they think they speak for God. Just because the most qualified are not %100 accurate %100 percent of the time (which is a fantasy expectation of anyone regarding anything or anyone in life), that does not mean the vast bulk of what they say carries no weight. The weight of what they say is considerably more than Billy Bob picking up the King James Version of the Bible, reading a few passages and thinking he knows what he's talking about and convinces other of the same.

As much as I dislike bureaucracies and hierarchies, there is something to be said about putting something like the Bible into the hands of those who don't have a sufficient background from which they can speak from. In other words, the range of their insights are extremely narrow and thus what they say reflects that lack of depth. There was good in making it available to those outside the corrupt institution, but definitely a downside on that as well!

This is sort of why the religious establishment has always had prophets -- people specifically called by God to speak for God. Those people are educated by and on behalf of the church as to exegetical studies and theology, to insure that the call is faithfully carried out. The big mistake most Protestants make is with the concept of "the Priesthood of all believers." That doesn't mean "everyone is called to officially speak for and act for God. The priest is the one who is authorized to handle the bread and wine, who is authorized to enter the sanctuary (where the altar is), who is authorized to bring God's forgiveness to the people. "The Priesthood of all believers" means that everyone can handle the bread and wine and enter the sanctuary, and can approach God on their own for absolution. It doesn't mean "everybody's an authority now." The church has always recognized a called out clergy who proclaims "thus saith the Lord."

 

[Muffled]

Genesis 2:7 God breathed the ' breath of life ' (does Not say spirit ) into lifeless Adam.
Adam went from non-life, to life, and returned back to non-life or non-existence. Genesis 3:19
As a light bulb goes out when disconnected from its source, Adam's life left him at death because Adam became disconnected from his Source of life. Once sinning, like a fan disconnected from its source, Adam slowing wound down until he completely stopped living.

1Co 15:45 So also it is written, The first man Adam became a living soul. The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

I believe it is possible that life and spirit go together. If there is no spirit there will be no life. Certainly the above verse implies that a spirit may indwell a body. I believe sometimes a person can be kept alive by mechanical means when the spirit has left but once the mechanical means are stopped the person dies. Another instance is that of Jesus who gave up the spirit and then the body died because it no longer had a spirit.

 

[Muffled]

This is sort of why the religious establishment has always had prophets -- people specifically called by God to speak for God. Those people are educated by and on behalf of the church as to exegetical studies and theology, to insure that the call is faithfully carried out. The big mistake most Protestants make is with the concept of "the Priesthood of all believers." That doesn't mean "everyone is called to officially speak for and act for God. The priest is the one who is authorized to handle the bread and wine, who is authorized to enter the sanctuary (where the altar is), who is authorized to bring God's forgiveness to the people. "The Priesthood of all believers" means that everyone can handle the bread and wine and enter the sanctuary, and can approach God on their own for absolution. It doesn't mean "everybody's an authority now." The church has always recognized a called out clergy who proclaims "thus saith the Lord."

I believe as a Baptist that the priesthood of believers means that we need no go betwwen us and God so the idea that the church has to set one up either as a prophet teacher or pastor does not fit. I believe God is the authority whenever He speaks and through whomever He speaks.

 

[sojourner]

1Co 15:45 So also it is written, The first man Adam became a living soul. The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

I believe it is possible that life and spirit go together. If there is no spirit there will be no life. Certainly the above verse implies that a spirit may indwell a body. I believe sometimes a person can be kept alive by mechanical means when the spirit has left but once the mechanical means are stopped the person dies. Another instance is that of Jesus who gave up the spirit and then the body died because it no longer had a spirit.

The Hebrew term used in Genesis for "breath" is also the same word for "spirit."

 

[sojourner]

I believe as a Baptist that the priesthood of believers means that we need no go betwwen us and God so the idea that the church has to set one up either as a prophet teacher or pastor does not fit. I believe God is the authority whenever He speaks and through whomever He speaks.

I get that, but what is at work here isn't "the church setting one up." It's "the church recognizing publicly and affirming whom God has called."

 

[URAVIP2ME]

1Co 15:45 So also it is written, The first man Adam became a living soul. The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
I believe it is possible that life and spirit go together. If there is no spirit there will be no life. Certainly the above verse implies that a spirit may indwell a body. I believe sometimes a person can be kept alive by mechanical means when the spirit has left but once the mechanical means are stopped the person dies. Another instance is that of Jesus who gave up the spirit and then the body died because it no longer had a spirit.

Please remember before God sent Jesus to earth that Jesus had a spirit body.
So, when God resurrected Jesus - Acts of the Apostles 3:15 - Jesus got back his heavenly spirit body.

Our ' spirit ' returns to God in the same way a foreclosed house returns to its owner.
The house does Not go anywhere, but the ownership of the house is in the hands of the owner.
So, our life's spirit at death does Not go anywhere but remains in God's memory.
God gave Jesus the power of the resurrection, so under Christ's millennium-long day of governing over earth Jesus will resurrect both the righteous and unrighteous - Acts of the Apostles 24:15 - with the prospect of gaining everlasting life for the majority of people to live forever on a beautiful paradisaical earth as the Garden of Eden originally was. Please notice, under Christ, the returning on earth of the Genesis ' tree of life ' for mankind at Revelation 22:2.

 

[NulliuSINverba]

Everyone who does not accept Jesus is going to Hell.

And maybe even some that have accepted him as well, yes?

What do you think? Yes, or no? If no, then what is basis for accepting Jesus?

1.) You haven't demonstrated that Jesus existed.
2.) Even if Jesus existed, you haven't demonstrated that he was a divine being.
3.) You haven't demonstrated that there's a hell.
4.) You haven't demonstrated that there's even an afterlife of any sort.
5.) You haven't reconciled the notion of an all-loving, benevolent deity that would nevertheless consign his creations to eternal torture for short-term infractions that involve using the powers of reason that the deity allegedly created them with in the first place.

Let me know when you have all that hammered out and then perhaps we can talk, OK?

...

Q. - If humans doubt the existence of God/Jesus, aren't they simply functioning as designed?

 

[Shadow of Liberty]

Everyone who does not accept Jesus is going to Hell.

What do you think?

On a certain level, if everyone would accept the name of Jesus the same as they would "the WAY"(to make lovable and solvable thinkers of men) "the TRUTH"(defined as a modern interpretation of reality cohesive with the perception of Jesus), and "the LIFE"(as the blessed results that stem from the first two), we might get to more of a reason to define "Hell" as that state of mind that a man would be better off losing a eye, or a foot, or hand, before he might have to endure going through it losing all else.

 

[Desert Snake]

On a certain level, if everyone would accept the name of Jesus the same as they would "the WAY"(to make lovable and solvable thinkers of men) "the TRUTH"(defined as a modern interpretation of reality cohesive with the perception of Jesus), and "the LIFE"(as the blessed results that stem from the first two), we might get to more of a reason to define "Hell" as that state of mind that a man would be better off losing a eye, or a foot, or hand, before he might have to endure going through it losing all else.

That is one way to answer the question.