Hello Yoshua,
if he was there what did do? anything writen in Bible that he did something or created anything at that time?
Hi Wat,
There is no record on what He was doing about His pre-existence. This is what the verse says about with the Father-God.
John 17:5
5. "And now, glorify Thou Me together with Thyself, Father, with the glory which I had with Thee
before the world was.
By him , you mean God (the father?) so here its written that everything came into being by God(everything) or apart from him (spirits or soul or who knows what else) , and nothing came into being that has come into being (nothing) .
So, in another word that there is only one God who created everything ( everything ) even Jesus.
The word
“by” is also
“through,” which means that all things came into being because of Jesus Christ; He is the instrument why all things have been created. So, that would mean the Father God and Jesus existed.
John 1:1-3
1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2. He was in the beginning with God.
3. All things came into being by
(through) Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
Col. 1:16
16. for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all
things have been created through him, and unto him;
Then, Adam was born without mother and father. Isn't he more likely to be the unique son? he was the first human in the whole universe.
Yes, Adam was not born without a mother for He is the first human creation.
Gen. 2:7
7. And the
Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
I may God’s creation is unique. In the New Testament, John 3:16 stated that Jesus is the begotten (unique) Son.
Nature how come? You didn’t prove me anything he couldn’t even create a leaf of the tree.
The mere fact that Jesus was with the Father God in the beginning, that shows He is divine in nature. When I say divine, He is a deity meaning He is God.
Can you let your kid( someone dear to you) die as a criminal for someone's else crime?
I believe that I cannot, because my kid is not qualified to die for someone--by saving one’s sin. In the case of Jesus, He is capable to die—to save the sin of many.
Persons? So the father is person? The holy spirit is person? The son is person? But they are not persons but gods? And not three but one? Does this make any sense to your mind?
If the father is person then he is not god. a person can't be god.
The word
“person” is only a term to define as
“individual” or “subsistence” which means as
real existence; separate from other individual. Not three beings, but three real existence as the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. It does not mean literally a person—as human like us.
Savior? Then why there are murderer and sinner all over the world? Why did Jesus died? It was meaningless. Because he died and sins still happening.
And it doesn’t proves Jesus' divinity . I want only one creation of him only one.
Yes, there are bad people and sinners all around, even me and you. No one is born a good and perfect being. This is what happened and can be trace back to Adam and Eve, the first human being created by God.
They disobeyed by means of their free-will; to disobey God by partaking the fruit of the tree.
Gen.3:1-7
1. Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, "Has God indeed said,
`You shall not eat of every tree of the garden'?''
2. And the woman said to the serpent (devil), "We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden;
3. "but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, `You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.' ''
4. And the serpent said to the woman, "You will not surely die.
5. "For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.''
6. So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise,
she took of its fruit and ate.
She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate.
7. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves coverings.
Because of the sinfulness of man until generation to generation, God sent His Son (Jesus) to save us from the penalty of death because we are (all ) condemned and corrupted in nature.
Rom. 3:10-18
10. as it is written,
"There is none righteous, not even one;
11. There is none who understands,
12. All have turned aside, together they have become useless;
13.
"Their throat is an open grave,
14.
"Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness";
15. "Their feet are swift to shed blood,
16. Destruction and misery are in their paths,
17. And the path of peace have they not known."
18. "There is no fear of God before their eyes."
Jesus died. Yes, but
He resurrected and alive again.
He did not die forever. I believed that Jesus came here to give hope of salvation—and that is to be with Him in eternal life (heaven). His purpose of coming is not to stop the sins of many, but to believe; to trust; to repent from our sins, and obey Him.
I don’t think Jesus dying of the cross is meaningless because
no one can do what Jesus did—saving the sins of many to be with Him.
God is the merciful why would he send his only son to be killed? Aren't there any alternatives which is better serves the humanity .For example, sacrificing the devil? All sins would disappear. Don’t you think.
I believed that God chose the horrible and grave punishment during the time of Roman empire to show that no one, even Satan or any entities shall make that salvific act. If you have anything in mind that you think can match the suffering of Christ on the cross, you may name it.
If God use to sacrifice the devil, that would be no sense since the devil is not worthy to sacrifice himself for the sake of saving the sins of many. Actually, the devil knows already that his time is coming when he will thrown in the lake of fire.
The devil will be stopped and shall be tormented in the hell day and night. This is the prophecy according to Bible book of Revelation. I believed this will happen.
Rev. 20:10
10. And
the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
So the only reason that he didn’t ask God to save him was so that the scriptures describe well? Not because he wanted to save the humanity of all sins?
There is no prove of Jesus's divinity.
Thank you and be happy and peaceful.
Matt. 26:53-54
53. Don't you realize that I could ask my Father for thousands of angels to protect us, and he would send them instantly?
54. But if I did, how would the Scriptures be fulfilled that describe what is happening now?''
Jesus is the one who’s talking here with His disciple Peter. In v. 53, Jesus said that He could ask the Father God to release the thousands of angels to protect them, and this can be done immediately. In v.54, Jesus said that because God has a plan to fulfill the prophecy of what they are experiencing now with Peter. When Jesus said those statements, Jesus was already in the midst of capturing Him for the start of His execution to die on the cross.
Thanks
