Everyone who hears of Jesus but does not accept Him is going to hell.

[Muffled]

I believe Torah (in its widest sense, including Oral Torah) is a cooperative endeavor between God and human beings, and that He wishes us to interpret it ourselves, and not for us to look to Him all the time for His interpretations.

I believe this reveals that you don't know God very well. If He can pay such close attention to each hair on your head then He surely will not have a problem assisting you in interpretation.

 

[JoStories]

Entertainment. Basically there is no truth. It is all theatrical. Drama, comedy, horror.

People look for God. The idea is God plays hide and seek with his/her self. A part of you is in complete control of your experience. It's just that your conscious self has been cut off from that knowledge. Nothing happens to anyone that is not caused by themselves. There is no separate God to blame for anything.

The more people seek the truth, the further away they get from it. The only truth is you. Everything else is an illusion which you have manifested yourself.

Lift the stone and you find God there, not under the stone but lifting it.

What I find is that you can to a degree create your life. I don't know to what degree. According to this belief, you can do anything. However if you could imagine, being all powerful, then there is no real meaning to life because you can create whatever meaning, whatever purpose you wish at a whim. You could create, destroy, recreate anything. So you purposely limit your knowledge and power to create a purpose within yourself to seek these things.

Supposedly at some point you will realize it's all a game you've created for yourself. At which point you'll start the game all over again.

I can't, in all honesty, say that you are wrong. You could well be right. Or I could, which I cannot say either of us can argue is correct on either point. I don't agree that its a game but you can believe that if you wish. I personally find the reference somewhat offensive but its what you think and that is fine. Have a nice day. Namaste

 

[JoStories]

I beleive it won't matter what one believes. God will dispose of people as he judges them.

Which, IMO, makes that God a capricious monster. I am sorry if that offends you but the way you state this is nothing short of offensive to anyone with the temerity to believe differently than you. God will 'dispose' of people? You equate humans with garbage, literally. That is truly offensive.

 

[Levite]

I believe this reveals that you don't know God very well. If He can pay such close attention to each hair on your head then He surely will not have a problem assisting you in interpretation.

Whereas I believe this reveals that you don't know God very well. I think He wants us to think and to participate in Torah with Him, to learn and to grow as beings, not just to be passive vessels for His will.

 

[Muffled]

Which, IMO, makes that God a capricious monster. I am sorry if that offends you but the way you state this is nothing short of offensive to anyone with the temerity to believe differently than you. God will 'dispose' of people? You equate humans with garbage, literally. That is truly offensive.

I believe your opinion is not a logical deduction from the facts given.

I believe I am willing to be offended. Are you willing to be reasonable?

I believe you will have to explain why you think so. It is not obvious to me.

I believe God can put you in a different position (good or bad) from the one you are in. That is what is meant by dispose.

I believe that meaning of dispose is fairly common but there was no intention of evoking it. I dispose of books that I buy by putting them on a shelf. If a book is beyond repair I throw it in the trash. However souls are not books that God wishes to extinguish in flames so the simile does not fit.

Maybe but I believe I am not regretting the disposal of Hitler, Saddam Hussein or bin Laden. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

 

[Nakosis]

I can't, in all honesty, say that you are wrong. You could well be right. Or I could, which I cannot say either of us can argue is correct on either point. I don't agree that its a game but you can believe that if you wish. I personally find the reference somewhat offensive but its what you think and that is fine. Have a nice day. Namaste

There a lot of things to find offensive in different ideas about God.
There is no reason to assume, I don't think, that the idea of God we find least offensive is correct.

I suppose I find the idea of a game the least offensive. No one is really harmed.

 

[Nakosis]

Whereas I believe this reveals that you don't know God very well. I think He wants us to think and to participate in Torah with Him, to learn and to grow as beings, not just to be passive vessels for His will.

I believe no one really knows anything about God. Folks just like to pretend otherwise.

I don't mean this in a judgmental way, I just find people find ways to convince themselves of their beliefs. And if it makes you happy there's no problem.

As long as we're not telling other folks what they "have" to believe to be happy.

 

[Muffled]

Whereas I believe this reveals that you don't know God very well. I think He wants us to think and to participate in Torah with Him, to learn and to grow as beings, not just to be passive vessels for His will.

I believe God wishes all to be in harmony with His will. Granted He will sometimes allow people to discover the correct path for themselves but He has no desire for a person to select an erroneous path and stick with it just because they like it better than God's path. Through Jesus, God has done just that: to make us passive observers of His will. I doubt He would have done it if it was not His will to do so.

 

[Blastcat]

I believe your following statement that I know better and that is only to the extent that God informs me because as I said before it is what God knows not what I know.

Now your claim is that you speak for god. You apparently don't know anything.. you are just a vehicle for god's information network. I will do you a favor and not ask you for any evidence of this quite astounding claim. I will do MYSELF a favor and not take the claim seriously.

I believe that is because God is in me. I believe God was in Jesus and not in the Pharisees.

Yes, your claim of god given knowledge is astounding. Your evidence for the claim is a bit less so.

If I boil an egg and the cookbook says that it will become hard then I will find out the cookbook is true because the egg is hard. If I hear God speak a prophecy and the prophecy comes true then I know I have heard and do hear from God.

IF the prophecies were as convincing as you claim there would be no atheists. Scientist would have been able to prove it to the rest of us non-believers. However, even GOD believing scientists can't do what you apparently can. The example that you give isn't of a prophecy that could prove a god. Most people already KNOW that eggs boil in water. We already know that people can come into a city by way of donkey .... and it's always amazingly easy for someone to take a prophecy.. make it happen .. and then claim that it has been "fulfilled". the people who wrote the NT knew all about the OT... They could read, they wanted people to believe that this Jesus was the fullfillment of prophecies so .. not too hard to claim that he did. DID HE HOWEVER?... just a bunch of claims... what of the other thousands of prophecies you are stunned by?... same as your eggs.. astoundingly trivial predictions that don't prove anything.

Some people, however, don't care to think critically about their beliefs.. Since you don't actually HAVE a convincing prophecy fulfillment., you mention eggs.. As if that could rescue your beliefs. Maybe fallacious thinking rescues it for YOU. But it wont convince other people as well.

I believe my answer lies in the previous statement. Evidence reveals the truth

If there is is good evidence, of course it leads to the truth. Bad evidence doesn't. Sorry.

I believe you have made assumptions that are incorrect that led you to believe it was circular reasoning when it was no

i believe if you stop making assumpotions and reason things out you will not fall into this kind of erroneous thinking.

I asked you for what assumptions I made and what logical errors I made. Apparently you are able to make a claim , but have no idea how to prove it. Saying that you BELIEVE something is true is not giving EVIDENCE that it is. So all the belief in the WORLD about my "assumptions and illogic" aren't going to ever serve as EVIDENCE for your insults.

If you claim that I have made an ASSUMPTION, please provide evidence for it.. or be prepared to NOT be convincing. .. a quote would help... some explanation more than "I believe" would help. As you can believe whatever you like for whatever reasons you chose.

But just because you happen to believe something does not make it true.

 

[InChrist]

Everyone who does not accept Jesus is going to Hell.

What do you think? Yes, or no? If no, then what is basis for accepting Jesus?

I don't think it is quite as simple as you make it sound, but I do believe that Jesus is the only Savior so this means it is only through Him that anyone is saved from eternal separation from God' love and goodness, which results in the eternal suffering of living alone with one's sinful self forever.

 

[Levite]

I believe God wishes all to be in harmony with His will. Granted He will sometimes allow people to discover the correct path for themselves but He has no desire for a person to select an erroneous path and stick with it just because they like it better than God's path. Through Jesus, God has done just that: to make us passive observers of His will. I doubt He would have done it if it was not His will to do so.

I believe God wishes us to find our own way to harmony with His will, and that there are many ways to be in harmony with His will, not just one. And if God had no desire for us to be able to select an erroneous path and stick with it, He would not have created us with free will.

And, of course, I don't believe that God has done anything through Jesus whatsoever.

 

[JoStories]

I believe your opinion is not a logical deduction from the facts given.

I believe I am willing to be offended. Are you willing to be reasonable?

I believe you will have to explain why you think so. It is not obvious to me.

I believe God can put you in a different position (good or bad) from the one you are in. That is what is meant by dispose.

I believe that meaning of dispose is fairly common but there was no intention of evoking it. I dispose of books that I buy by putting them on a shelf. If a book is beyond repair I throw it in the trash. However souls are not books that God wishes to extinguish in flames so the simile does not fit.

Maybe but I believe I am not regretting the disposal of Hitler, Saddam Hussein or bin Laden. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

What facts? There are no facts when it comes to belief. The two are not synonymous at all. I am being reasonable, save for the fact that your repeated tendency to begin every sentence with "I believe" is annoying. What do I have to explain to you? you say you think God can put me in a difference position. I like the one I am in. I have a relationship with God. Who are you to tell me its wrong? And books thrown on a midden heap are trash. There's no other way to say that. And as for 'disposing" of Hitler, etc, you don't get to judge. Yes, they were rather unfortunate people but I leave the actions of God to God. Any other stance is arrogant.

 

[JoStories]

There a lot of things to find offensive in different ideas about God.
There is no reason to assume, I don't think, that the idea of God we find least offensive is correct.

I suppose I find the idea of a game the least offensive. No one is really harmed.

I agree its not terribly offensive but it is nonetheless, offensive to a degree. But you could be correct and I am playing a game with myself. If that is the case, and you have never seen me proselytize here or push my faith, I am the only one 'harmed' by this game, non?

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Is acceptance include socalled "divinity"?

 

[Desert Snake]

Is acceptance include socalled "divinity"?

That was the intention, yes. One could answer either way though, they just might want to specify about that.

 

[Wat_i.need]

Everyone who does not accept Jesus is going to Hell.

What do you think? Yes, or no? If no, then what is basis for accepting Jesus?

I voted " Yes" . I f you don't believe in Jesus " the messenger who god sent" to teach you about god, then you don't believe in god, which is an important issue. why would accept a religion but not accept the one who brought " that religion" to you?

 

[Wat_i.need]

That was the intention, yes. One could answer either way though, they just might want to specify about that.

If believing in Jesus as a messenger then I voted yes.

But if it is Jesus as a god then I would vote NO.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

That was the intention, yes. One could answer either way though, they just might want to specify about that.

Loll then many christians would burn in hellfire too for rejecting "divinity" of Jesus pbuh.

Christians killed each other because of disagreement about Jesus pbuh.

 

[Desert Snake]

If believing in Jesus as a messenger then I voted yes.

But if it is Jesus as a god then I would vote NO.

The OP doesn't specify. I would vote a default yes, to the question, personally. I guess you could also vote no? So, that's up the person, I suppose; the answer is sort of yes and no, depending on context.

 

[Aquitaine]

Everyone who does not accept Jesus is going to Hell.

What do you think? Yes, or no? If no, then what is basis for accepting Jesus?

No.