Everything came forth from nothing?

[Spiderman]

So, I took my meds today and realized that last night when I didn't get to sleep till after 6:00Am and started a thread say "the big bang" gave us everything, I forgot to take my Seroquel, antipsychotic.

Still, I'll stand by it.

The big bang did give us everything. Indirectly, in a similar sense to saying, Jesus is responsible for the existence of the Papacy.

Obviously, some of us are not scientifically oriented, which is one reason why, some of us have inner convictions that prevent us from believing that energy for a big bang, independent of an intelligent supernatural creative designer, lead to a series of events that gave birth to scientific mechanisms responsible for this:

I'm totally willing to accept evolution, and the big bang, but am not able to believe such transformations and mutations took place, independent of a guide.

People say there is no evidence for a creator. I beg to differ. I see evidence for a creator every day. A lot of people do.

I've studied eyewitness testimonies, medically documented miracles, and supernatural phenomenon that has no scientific explanation. I believe God chooses not to grant those favors to most people, and it makes me angry at God, but still, God provides the evidence, and many atheists, communists, scientists, and agnostics, have given their testimony of how someone with the gift of prophecy, a miracle, or supernatural phenomenon, converted them. Yet many people dismiss all that on the basis that God has not provided those graces to them, therefore the testimonies, including scientifically and medically documented miracles, are simply false.

Another thing, Apes share 99% similar DNA...but are we really all that similar?
In my opinion, there are actually very few similarities between human's and chimps. It simply appears obvious to me. We have common DNA and we are both primates, but I see very few similarities to be honest.

Chimps lack language, no alphabet, plumbing, medicine, civilization, and display few behaviors that resemble a human being.

Anyway,
let's get to the real reason I started this thread. Did any of these: Nickel, iron, rock, silicon, , magnesium, aluminum, oxygen, other minerals, calcium, sodium, potassium, liquid water, nitrogen, carbon dioxide, and other gases, always exist?

Did any of these exist without beginning?

If so, doesn't it take a leap of faith to believe that? Also, if they had to have a beginning, doesn't that mean they essentially came forth from nothingness?

Also, can we prove the theories about "Scientific mechanisms" that could cause living creatures to come forth from these elements or substances?

 

[Cacotopia]

Are you honestly saying that every other creature doesn't have language? Did humans not have a language before they invented an alphabet?

 

[Woberts]

God provides the evidence, and many atheists, communists, scientists, and agnostics, have given their testimony of how someone with the gift of prophecy, a miracle, or supernatural phenomenon, converted them.

You know communism isn't inherently atheistic, right?

 

[Katzpur]

I'm totally willing to accept evolution, and the big bang, but am not able to believe such transformations and mutations took place, independent of a guide.

I'm with you!

 

[Cacotopia]

Let's pick random communications out of a hat.

Bees flying patterns to communicate where sources of food or threats are.

Whale/orca songs.

Dogs behavioral patterns and body stances and barking, howling, whimpering, yelping communicate to other dogs.

The puffer fish creating a perfectly symmetrical design in the sand as a form of communicating it's ready to mate.

the language of pheromones.

Every organism on the planet communicates with their own language. But because they don't write it down? It's not a language? get outta here with that nonsense sir.

 

[Looncall]

So, I took my meds today and realized that last night when I didn't get to sleep till after 6:00Am and started a thread say "the big bang" gave us everything, I forgot to take my Seroquel, antipsychotic.

Still, I'll stand by it.

The big bang did give us everything. Indirectly, in a similar sense to saying, Jesus is responsible for the existence of the Papacy.

Obviously, some of us are not scientifically oriented, which is one reason why, some of us have inner convictions that prevent us from believing that energy for a big bang, independent of an intelligent supernatural creative designer, lead to a series of events that gave birth to scientific mechanisms responsible for this:

I'm totally willing to accept evolution, and the big bang, but am not able to believe such transformations and mutations took place, independent of a guide.

People say there is no evidence for a creator. I beg to differ. I see evidence for a creator every day. A lot of people do.

I've studied eyewitness testimonies, medically documented miracles, and supernatural phenomenon that has no scientific explanation. I believe God chooses not to grant those favors to most people, and it makes me angry at God, but still, God provides the evidence, and many atheists, communists, scientists, and agnostics, have given their testimony of how someone with the gift of prophecy, a miracle, or supernatural phenomenon, converted them. Yet many people dismiss all that on the basis that God has not provided those graces to them, therefore the testimonies, including scientifically and medically documented miracles, are simply false.

Another thing, Apes share 99% similar DNA...but are we really all that similar?
In my opinion, there are actually very few similarities between human's and chimps. It simply appears obvious to me. We have common DNA and we are both primates, but I see very few similarities to be honest.

Chimps lack language, no alphabet, plumbing, medicine, civilization, and display few behaviors that resemble a human being.

Anyway,
let's get to the real reason I started this thread. Did any of these: Nickel, iron, rock, silicon, , magnesium, aluminum, oxygen, other minerals, calcium, sodium, potassium, liquid water, nitrogen, carbon dioxide, and other gases, always exist?

Did any of these exist without beginning?

If so, doesn't it take a leap of faith to believe that? Also, if they had to have a beginning, doesn't that mean they essentially came forth from nothingness?

Also, can we prove the theories about "Scientific mechanisms" that could cause living creatures to come forth from these elements or substances?

The elements etc form according to the properties of the universe. Your ignorance is no excuse for turning to made-up stuff. Why not obtain an education, instead?

At present, it is not possible to probe the very earliest moments of the big bang. That may remain forever impossible. That, too, is no excuse for turning to fantasies.

"I don't know" is a respectable position to take when one in fact does not know something.

 

[Spiderman]

Are you honestly saying that every other creature doesn't have language? Did humans not have a language before they invented an alphabet?

They have various primitive forms of language...my tarantula communicates to me through body language.

 

[Spiderman]

You know communism isn't inherently atheistic, right?

Yes....Jesus was a communist....I'm speaking of atheist communists who converted over various miracles, or meeting Saints like Padre Pio, who could read their heart and know their sins without them confessing it

 

[Spiderman]

Let's pick random communications out of a hat.

Bees flying patterns to communicate where sources of food or threats are.

Whale/orca songs.

Dogs behavioral patterns and body stances and barking, howling, whimpering, yelping communicate to other dogs.

The puffer fish creating a perfectly symmetrical design in the sand as a form of communicating it's ready to mate.

the language of pheromones.

Every organism on the planet communicates with their own language. But because they don't write it down? It's not a language? get outta here with that nonsense sir.

I was speaking of vocabulary and alphabet...Chimps don't have it...they certainly don't write anything down, and they don't have philosophers, Doctors, or teachers, or anything that resembles civilization

 

[Spiderman]

The elements etc form according to the properties of the universe. Your ignorance is no excuse for turning to made-up stuff. Why not obtain an education, instead?

At present, it is not possible to probe the very earliest moments of the big bang. That may remain forever impossible. That, too, is no excuse for turning to fantasies.

"I don't know" is a respectable position to take when one in fact does not know something.

I've already stated that I don't know...

All I'm saying is, I'm not able to believe that it all happened without the help of some supernatural force that was guiding it...

If you have found a better way...good for you!

I'm not telling anyone they need to believe what I believe, and I think the Bible contains some dangerous, ridiculous content that my conscience tells me to reject as wrong, therefore, I'm not saying anyone should believe in the Bible. Most Creationists don't follow the Bible as their sole rule of faith.

 

[Cacotopia]

Dolphins have teachers, when they figure out a new method for hunting fish in shallow marshes, like beating the sediment in a small circle to confuse fish and cluster them and force them out of the water and into their mouths.

Some killer whales have taught their pod how to kill great white sharks by ramming the gills rolling them upside down and rendering the shark in a catatonic state and essentially "drowning them"

Animals teach each other many things hunting techniques, evasion, they are capable of learning. Like Chimps and gorillas learning sign language.


it would be interesting to see if a gorilla released back into the wild is capable of teaching it's own family sign language.

 

[Katzpur]

The elements etc form according to the properties of the universe.

And what determined those properties?

Your ignorance is no excuse for turning to made-up stuff. Why not obtain an education, instead?

What a juvenile statement. I know many very well-educated people who believe in God.

At present, it is not possible to probe the very earliest moments of the big bang. That may remain forever impossible. That, too, is no excuse for turning to fantasies.

At present, it is not possible to explain how God guided the process of the creation. That may remain impossible until we are again in His presence. Just because something is unknown, that doesn't make it a fantasy.

"I don't know" is a respectable position to take when one in fact does not know something.

I can say, "I don't know," and not feel the slightest bit ashamed to say it. Can you? Or do you, in fact, really know how it all started?

 

[Spiderman]

Dolphins have teachers, when they figure out a new method for hunting fish in shallow marshes, like beating the sediment in a small circle to confuse fish and cluster them and force them out of the water and into their mouths.

Some killer whales have taught their pod how to kill great white sharks by ramming the gills rolling them upside down and rendering the shark in a catatonic state and essentially "drowning them"

Animals teach each other many things hunting techniques, evasion, they are capable of learning. Like Chimps and gorillas learning sign language.

Look at Chimp behavior compared to human behavior...we are extremely different creatures...just my opinion from observing humans

 

[Cacotopia]

Do you think we are more civilized?

 

[Woberts]

Look at Chimp behavior compared to human behavior...we are extremely different creatures...just my opinion from observing humans

I would wager a guess that it has nothing to do with our DNA. It's a cultural thing, more or less.

 

[Cacotopia]

Of the thousands of species that exhibit homosexual behavior we are the only species that persecutes our own for it.

We are the only species that enslaves our own and other species. (I'm not a vegan they are delicious)

We are the only species that attempts to control and harness nature and ultimately ruins it with our childish meddling.

We are the only species (namely this is a religious ideal) that thinks the world is our playground and haphazardly destroy it with reckless abandon, because the after life is our real home.

We have spread across the globe like a plague, annihilating everything that is the beauty of nature in our path and think this is a good thing.

There is civility in the simplicity that is the natural order of the world.

 

[Cacotopia]

Good and evil don't exist outside of humanity. There is only existence and the drive to survive.

 

[Cacotopia]

I love how there is a picture of a bride there, like the big bang provided marriage. What?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

So, I took my meds today and realized that last night when I didn't get to sleep till after 6:00Am and started a thread say "the big bang" gave us everything, I forgot to take my Seroquel, antipsychotic.

Still, I'll stand by it.

The big bang did give us everything. Indirectly, in a similar sense to saying, Jesus is responsible for the existence of the Papacy.

Obviously, some of us are not scientifically oriented, which is one reason why, some of us have inner convictions that prevent us from believing that energy for a big bang, independent of an intelligent supernatural creative designer, lead to a series of events that gave birth to scientific mechanisms responsible for this...

Let me ask...

Everything is formed by something else (egg to her sperm; HO2, CO2, heat, etc to the formation of the earth and resources for life to live on it); how can you have a child pop out of thin air?

Mother and father didnt create a child. The sperm and egg existed to form another human being. There wasnt a poof. Everything happens in cause and relationship with something else.

If god is the creator, the creator (unless a force that IS motion or energy to form things from combination of preexisting things), a being would need to exist for it to create. But how do you find logic that god breaks the nature of he who created it?

If god created the world, then there would need to be some sort of big bang. How wouls you explain something popped into existence without a Big Bang!

As for evolution, I went to the meseum months ago for a art project. This is what I found: What does it mean to be human? Exploring human origins. I was thinking humans migrated from humans. Its not explaines like that..like an X-Man thing. It actually makes sense:

Our brain skulls are quite similar. That and we have similar structures to animals as well.

This is what I did my project on. As we graduated in looks which is an influence of our environment not X-Man genes, you see the relationship between mother and child. Just today mothers dont need to hunt; we work and pay bills instead. Probably just as stressful.
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If you have a chance and youre in our US Nations Capitol, visit our mesaums.

Alsp, when you create something, its not magic. You take preexisting things and put them together to invent something new. So, if by creator you mean energy and what makes the universe form into existence, I agree.

If youre saying the creator poped life into mid air, thats like the big bang; just in religious language rather than scientific.

 

[shunyadragon]

So, I took my meds today and realized that last night when I didn't get to sleep till after 6:00Am and started a thread say "the big bang" gave us everything, I forgot to take my Seroquel, antipsychotic.

Still, I'll stand by it.

All this will result in is tired feet.

I believe in God as the Creator, but there is no objective evidence for the above imaginative speculation for 'Intelligent Design,

The problem with the above is your tripping over several fallacies like 'arguing from ignorance' and 'begging the question,' as well as hugely over stating any scientific evidence for miracles that for a matter of fact there is no scientific evidence for miracles only dishonest manipulation and anecdotal speculation with a healthy dose of 'wishful thinking.'

Yes, genetic similarities, including other primates, the evidence indicates common ancestry.

It is good you qualify this as your 'opinion,' because you lack the understanding of genetics and evolution that documents common ancestry not only of primates and humans, but the same chain of evidence for all life on earth.

Chimps lack language, no alphabet, plumbing, medicine, civilization, and display few behaviors that resemble a human being.

We have an archaeological site in the Middle East that progressively goes back in time ~70,000 years to a time that humans do not have an alphabet, plumbing, medicine, civilization, and display few behaviors that resemble a human beings of today. Your misinformed primates and other intelligent mammals like some sea mammals definitely do have languages, and they just have different languages than human beings, It is known that among some species of whales the herds actually speak different languages.

Anyway,
let's get to the real reason I started this thread. Did any of these: Nickel, iron, rock, silicon, , magnesium, aluminum, oxygen, other minerals, calcium, sodium, potassium, liquid water, nitrogen, carbon dioxide, and other gases, always exist?

Anyway, not a good reason unless you get the education in science.

At the beginning of the Expansion of the universe they did not exist, and they formed by natural laws in the stars that formed and continue to form in stars today

Need an education in physics, math, and Quantum Mechanics if you are not willing to accept science as it is.

Did any of these exist without beginning?

Yes, in the stars that formed after the beginning of expansion of the universe.

If so, doesn't it take a leap of faith to believe that? Also, if they had to have a beginning, doesn't that mean they essentially came forth from nothingness?

No leap of faith we can observe them forming stars today.

We can falsify these scientific mechanisms of theories and hypothesis today that document beyond a reasonable doubt that all this can come about by natural processes.

An education in science would help.

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