Evidence For And Against Evolution

[Polymath257]

Looking at how their populations are disastreously shrinking, I'm afraid I'm gonna have to put my money on "extinct".

And it will entirely be the fault of Homo Sapiens.

They won't be the first great ape species we have driven to extinction.

 

[tas8831]

https://factsandtrends.net/2018/09/...dus-new-discoveries-support-biblical-account/
Yes, always coming up with proof.

Google Maps

Weird that it took, with Jehovah's guidance, 40 years to go ~700 km.

 

[tas8831]

I didn't say gorillas did not come before 'us,' as you say.

"Somehow I think your question as to why would gorillas (apes before what you believe are human apes)"

Then what did you mean? Use your words.

 

[ChristineM]

or a Christian Bible believer who will answer to the Atheist attacks against evidence of God.
Pal, accept the truth.
Your Bible = On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection.
Your God = matter.
Your priest = Richard Dawkins.
Your church = the congregation of Atheists and agnostics.
Your creed = There is no God, does not matter what I see. Deny deny deny.
Your life hereafter, = fodder for plants.
your parents, = More ape than you.
Your children = more human than you.
Life, = not worth anything, we are just here.
Morals = not needed, humans are just another fungus.

This is atheism, and dont even attempt to change the meaning.

What evidence of god?

Your bible? bullpoop of the deliberately ignorant
Your god? What god
Your priest? contrary to your biassed opinion dawkins only triggers theists emotions
Your church? What church? Sure some very, very few american atheists have formed groups to defend against religion
Your creed? You contradict yourself, see "your god"
Your life hereafter? Hey we are all made of dead people
Your parents? You know hack sh?? about evolution
Your children? See above
Life? Its addictive and kills you in the end
Morals? Well looking at the misrepresentation and misinformation you publish i can guarantee i am far more moral than you.

So the 9th commandment means nothing to you, so moral eh!

 

[tas8831]

None of those families other than homo sapiens so far have developed by genetic forces, the ability to build rocket ships.

No single person has built a 'rocket ship' of the type you are referring to (space shuttle/Apollo stuff, I assume).

But... Have YOU done that?

Can YOU sculpt a masterpiece?

Can YOU engineer some amazing building or machinery?

Can YOU make world changing discoveries?

Half the people I know cannot put 3 words together to form a meaningful sentence, but they, too, try to hop on the 'rocket scientist' bangwagon when it comes to how great we are.

 

[tas8831]

or a Christian Bible believer who will answer to the Atheist attacks against evidence of God.
Pal, accept the truth.
Your Bible = On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection.
Your God = matter.
Your priest = Richard Dawkins.
Your church = the congregation of Atheists and agnostics.
Your creed = There is no God, does not matter what I see. Deny deny deny.
Your life hereafter, = fodder for plants.
your parents, = More ape than you.
Your children = more human than you.
Life, = not worth anything, we are just here.
Morals = not needed, humans are just another fungus.

This is atheism, and dont even attempt to change the meaning.

So precious - I love it when religionists let it slip that they actually understand that their religious beliefs are "less" than scientific knowledge, and engage in these attempts to drag down other groups to their own level as a means of denigrating them.

All the while not seeing what they've done.

 

[YoursTrue]

That is because you won't let yourself see it. That is why I tried to go over the concept of evidence with you but apparently you did not understand it.

Also it does not matter what you openly say about God, it is what your claims of us not being apes says. That is calling God a liar. This is why you need to understand the concept of evidence. Either man evolved or God lied by planting false evidence.

Where does God say that humans are apes? And do please explain the evidence you talk about. So far I haven't seen a clear and cogent explanation of the evidence you speak of. Please try to put it in your own words, or if you quote someone else's words, do please hopefully be able to answer questions about them rather than just repeat them. Thank you.

 

[YoursTrue]

No single person has built a 'rocket ship' of the type you are referring to (space shuttle/Apollo stuff, I assume).

But... Have YOU done that?

Can YOU sculpt a masterpiece?

Can YOU engineer some amazing building or machinery?

Can YOU make world changing discoveries?

Half the people I know cannot put 3 words together to form a meaningful sentence, but they, too, try to hop on the 'rocket scientist' bangwagon when it comes to how great we are.

I haven't said yet how "great we are."
Can non-human apes working together build a spaceship or a torpedo? (No, I have not done that.)
Can non-human apes sculpt a masterpiece? (No, I have not.)

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Where does God say that humans are apes? And do please explain the evidence you talk about. So far I haven't seen a clear and cogent explanation of the evidence you speak of. Please try to put it in your own words, or if you quote someone else's words, do please hopefully be able to answer questions about them rather than just repeat them. Thank you.

Where has God spoken of computers, air conditioners, CD's, television, the United States, Bugs Bunny, Playboy Bunnies, or a whole world of things? What is the point you are trying to make here? Because it is not in the Bible, it is not real?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Where does God say that humans are apes? And do please explain the evidence you talk about. So far I haven't seen a clear and cogent explanation of the evidence you speak of. Please try to put it in your own words, or if you quote someone else's words, do please hopefully be able to answer questions about them rather than just repeat them. Thank you.

If your God exists he says that humans are apes in all of the evidence that we find that says that we are apes. And you have been given a clear and cogent explanation, you have failed to let yourself understand it.

The physical evidence that we are apes is almost endless and there are no serious doubts about it. Why would your God make false evidence if man was not related to apes?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Where has God spoken of computers, air conditioners, CD's, television, the United States, Bugs Bunny, Playboy Bunnies, or a whole world of things? What is the point you are trying to make here? Because it is not in the Bible, it is not real?

I have pointed out to him that if he believes in a literal interpretation of Genesis that he is in effect calling God a liar since God would have had to have made the evidence that tells us that we are apes.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I have pointed out to him that if he believes in a literal interpretation of Genesis that he is in effect calling God a liar since God would have had to have made the evidence that tells us that we are apes.

He would have had to make a lot of evidence that tells an entire story at odds with Genesis. A contradiction that makes no sense.

 

[YoursTrue]

"Somehow I think your question as to why would gorillas (apes before what you believe are human apes)"

Then what did you mean? Use your words.

I did not say gorillas did not come as animals before humans. I believe they were existing before humans were existing. So I hope I made that clear to you about what I believe. Can you please show the actual evidence scientists use to claim that gorillas were in the line of evolutionary changes that eventually became humans.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I did not say gorillas did not come as animals before humans. I believe they were existing before humans were existing. So I hope I made that clear to you about what I believe. Can you please show the actual evidence scientists use to claim that gorillas were in the line of evolutionary changes that eventually became humans.

Haven't you been linked the articles on genetic similarity?

 

[YoursTrue]

I have pointed out to him that if he believes in a literal interpretation of Genesis that he is in effect calling God a liar since God would have had to have made the evidence that tells us that we are apes.

I certainly do not think each day of creation is a 24-hour period. The word 'day' as used in language then and now can mean more than a 24-hour rotation of the earth. When you say literal interpretation of Genesis, I am not sure what you mean by that. As I said, to say that each day of creation is literally a 24-hour or so period of time referring to the earth's rotation, I will tell you that is not recognized by me as the meaning.
So now this leads me to ask you a question. Do you believe in God? Because for some reason I get the impression you may. But I'm not sure. I realize you don't believe in the Bible. But how about a superior, intelligent force beyond mankind's ability to duplicate it?

 

[YoursTrue]

Haven't you been linked the articles on genetic similarity?

Yes, I am willing to go over them with you. Are you willing to discuss them with me? (Your choice.) Perhaps I can learn something more about the unassailable and true evidence some say there is for evolution.

 

[YoursTrue]

If your God exists he says that humans are apes in all of the evidence that we find that says that we are apes. And you have been given a clear and cogent explanation, you have failed to let yourself understand it.

The physical evidence that we are apes is almost endless and there are no serious doubts about it. Why would your God make false evidence if man was not related to apes?

Let me ask you a question about this. You say God says, or shows that in all the evidence we are apes. Please -- give me proof of evidence with the analysis of it. If you give me a link, I am willing to discuss it.

 

[YoursTrue]

I did not say gorillas did not come as animals before humans. I believe they were existing before humans were existing. So I hope I made that clear to you about what I believe. Can you please show the actual evidence scientists use to claim that gorillas were in the line of evolutionary changes that eventually became humans.

@Subduction Zone: did you understand the above sentence where I said that I believe gorillas existed before humans existed? Would you imagine I meant by that they evolved or emerged (OK, I won't say "popped up") at the same time as humans?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I certainly do not think each day of creation is a 24-hour period. The word 'day' as used in language then and now can mean more than a 24-hour rotation of the earth. When you say literal interpretation of Genesis, I am not sure what you mean by that. As I said, to say that each day of creation is literally a 24-hour or so period of time referring to the earth's rotation, I will tell you that is not recognized by me as the meaning.
So now this leads me to ask you a question. Do you believe in God? Because for some reason I get the impression you may. But I'm not sure. I realize you don't believe in the Bible. But how about a superior, intelligent force beyond mankind's ability to duplicate it?

I know that you are not that literal. I am talking about the evidence that makes it abundantly clear that we share a common ancestor with other apes.

And no, I do not believe in God but I used to. When I believed in God I did not believe in a lying God and since the evidence against the various myths of Genesis was so clear I could not interpret it literally at all. Take the Noah's Ark story for example. To make it at all possible, one that does not rely on a dishonest God, the flood must be turned into a local flood that would not have accomplished its biblical goals.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Let me ask you a question about this. You say God says, or shows that in all the evidence we are apes. Please -- give me proof of evidence with the analysis of it. If you give me a link, I am willing to discuss it.

Okay, I will use popular science links since neither of us will be able to read most of the articles in the peer reviewed literature:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/...humans-and-other-primates-pervade-the-genome/

Bonobos Join Chimps as Closest Human Relatives | Science | AAAS

Genetics

Endogenous Retroviruses are amazing evidence for our relatedness. They are the result of an infection that got into a gamete, but did not fully launch. This is an extremely rare event, but since it is usually a neutral mutation they very often eventually become part of the genome. Think of one occurrence every thousand generations or so. It is extremely strong evidence for common ancestry:

Demographic Histories of ERV-K in Humans, Chimpanzees and Rhesus Monkeys

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