Subduction Zone
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When you use poor reasoning you are not having a discussion. You are only preaching at best.Mmm .. let's have a discussion about discussion.
..anything other than the topic at hand.
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Evidence -- making it useful
- Thread starter Evangelicalhumanist
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The only thing that indicates is how overly impressed true believers are in their lack of evidence. I would think that for a person that brags about all the evidence you have for God that you don't mention any of it. If SubZone was writing your posts we would laugh because it would be a funny parody of a believer.I refer you to my post that I made recently..
Look them up on wikipedia .. they are there for all to see.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Heavens. Natural mass.
Everything is created. It's all evolved owned. As cooled position told. All highest greatest was with God.
As the animal with God isn't a lesser human being. Man's lie.
Your first idealistic self egotistical review.
Not any god...the thinker man.
All things present highest healthy. With his meant the God within owned their DNA type exact same on outside.
God within its body image God on outer same image. Told.
Heavens exact mass for your life's biology support isn't less to support any animal terms.
Mass God. Told. Exact.
You chose science reactor technology as man. Built it. As pyramid earth God mass stone rock was part machines function.
Ignored as relative the body of god from mass you used became part machine. So machine was from god. Pyramid was God's part machine terms. What you hadn't created. Just used.
Not Mr machines man AI thesis today claiming mind contact coercion is why a human has to be part machine terms he says.
Yet studied it bio human to bio human first.
An outright lie.
As men included God earths gases and mass as body sacrificed too. Not just man sacrificed.
As it should not be changed by space laws it's holding. Said wisdom of humans.
Pretty basic message.
So men say I got a man's message via my world community of father brothers. To advise my life survived yet we all died or are sick Sacrificed.
As water mass was taken above...ours with our living microbe support to cool the sun body mass that had crossed.
What caused all sacrificed losses. Heavens mass kept us as safe as we could be. So it's not direct contacts...ever.
Ice our saviour melts. Puts back earths world water mass.
Father's origin healthy man owned full bodied DNA once. Man's.
We feel experience father's memories via the spirit of life water. We once owned. Now don't.
Told taught you knew and you understood...yet you ignore it today.
False Christ.
Did CH arose gases out of earth and be conceived between God earth mass and space vacuum. Immaculate conception an intercourse type?
Yes. So God earth put the spirit impregnation into spaces womb. Not human womb?
The one law history once.
False Christ terms. Pretending it was happening again. When the natural heavens was created once.
Terms relative why no man is God as it wasn't ever removed. Or else nothing world exist.
Sacrificed means a portion of it. Bodily was gone. Yet Christ still remained. Ignored.
Man's mind theoried pretend in his head only a memory. About once when it never existed first. Became possessed by his own man's theists memories after his brain changed.
How many humans claim a special spiritual experience message by explanations? As many humans that were ever affected.
Human behaviour...my message is more important than yours.
It's the same advice.
Did a bio humans ova ovary heal return healthy by environmental cooling re massing heavens? Yes. Not the same advice. Man said why my human baby man science healthy life in genetics returned as did consciousness ...to do it all again.
Everything is created. It's all evolved owned. As cooled position told. All highest greatest was with God.
As the animal with God isn't a lesser human being. Man's lie.
Your first idealistic self egotistical review.
Not any god...the thinker man.
All things present highest healthy. With his meant the God within owned their DNA type exact same on outside.
God within its body image God on outer same image. Told.
Heavens exact mass for your life's biology support isn't less to support any animal terms.
Mass God. Told. Exact.
You chose science reactor technology as man. Built it. As pyramid earth God mass stone rock was part machines function.
Ignored as relative the body of god from mass you used became part machine. So machine was from god. Pyramid was God's part machine terms. What you hadn't created. Just used.
Not Mr machines man AI thesis today claiming mind contact coercion is why a human has to be part machine terms he says.
Yet studied it bio human to bio human first.
An outright lie.
As men included God earths gases and mass as body sacrificed too. Not just man sacrificed.
As it should not be changed by space laws it's holding. Said wisdom of humans.
Pretty basic message.
So men say I got a man's message via my world community of father brothers. To advise my life survived yet we all died or are sick Sacrificed.
As water mass was taken above...ours with our living microbe support to cool the sun body mass that had crossed.
What caused all sacrificed losses. Heavens mass kept us as safe as we could be. So it's not direct contacts...ever.
Ice our saviour melts. Puts back earths world water mass.
Father's origin healthy man owned full bodied DNA once. Man's.
We feel experience father's memories via the spirit of life water. We once owned. Now don't.
Told taught you knew and you understood...yet you ignore it today.
False Christ.
Did CH arose gases out of earth and be conceived between God earth mass and space vacuum. Immaculate conception an intercourse type?
Yes. So God earth put the spirit impregnation into spaces womb. Not human womb?
The one law history once.
False Christ terms. Pretending it was happening again. When the natural heavens was created once.
Terms relative why no man is God as it wasn't ever removed. Or else nothing world exist.
Sacrificed means a portion of it. Bodily was gone. Yet Christ still remained. Ignored.
Man's mind theoried pretend in his head only a memory. About once when it never existed first. Became possessed by his own man's theists memories after his brain changed.
How many humans claim a special spiritual experience message by explanations? As many humans that were ever affected.
Human behaviour...my message is more important than yours.
It's the same advice.
Did a bio humans ova ovary heal return healthy by environmental cooling re massing heavens? Yes. Not the same advice. Man said why my human baby man science healthy life in genetics returned as did consciousness ...to do it all again.
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SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
As if it isn't completely obvious - I want to discuss them!It certainly implies that there are facts about God, of course .. because there are.
..as I say, if there were not, we would have nothing to discuss.
What. Are. They?
And what are the probabilities you speak of?
And why is it so difficult to get you to answer questions about your claims?
Because you said there are facts and probabilities about god(s). Good grief.
Probabilities aren't subjective.
Facts aren't subjective.
So what are you talking about?
A lazy man's way of debate. If you have no idea why you believe, or any idea of the supposed evidence you have to support your belief, then it is you that has something to learn. You have as serious deficiency of ability to defend what you think is real and true in debate.I refer you to my post that I made recently..
Look them up on wikipedia .. they are there for all to see.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
They are not "my claims" .. I am not a prophet, or anything like that.
As far as I'm concerned, there is nothing to discuss, if you believe all religions are fiction.
You have already made your choice.
Some probablities are .. they depend on how you evaluate data.
..and clearly, you do not process data in the same way as I do.
eg.
...........All religions are fiction, so it is a fact that no gods are known to exist .. hence less than 0.00001% [wrong]
...........I don't know whether God exists .. hence 50%
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Yes, they are.
You typed it yourself.
Then seriously, what on earth are you doing on a discussion board? Seriously.
I haven't said one word about believing all religions are fiction. That's not even something I would say. Once again, I lack belief in god(s). That doesn't mean I say "there are no gods" or that "all religions are false." I'm just not convinced that a god exists. That's not to say I couldn't be convinced, if provided with convincing evidence.
I don't know how many times I have to point out that we're talking about YOUR claims.
Nope.
Don't be ridiculous. Probabilities are straight up math problems. You plug numbers into an equation, and you get an answer.
Pulling numbers out of your backside isn't how we calculate probabilities.
Also, once again you are arguing against a strawman in order to avoid your burden of proof.
You believe in a very specific God. The probability of that God existing is not 50%.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
"It's all damned lies and statistics"
No, it's more like 100%
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Nope and nope."It's all damned lies and statistics"
No, it's more like 100%
So you don't know how to do the math. Why would you say there are facts and probabilities about god(s) if you think that it's all just "damned lies and statistics?" You've been nothing but inconsistent.
You can't provide "facts and probabilities of gods."
You can't provide evidence.
Alrighty then.
Probability maths is highly subjective and open to interpretation.
I know It has even been used to examine the likelihood of Messanic claims.
Regards Tony
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
So are you arguing that probabilities are just pulled out of our backsides?
No, I see they need to be discussed and decided upon.
Using probability maths will confirm a Messenger, the key here is, what is used from the evidence to determine the factors that will be used and the probability numbers.
Regards Tony
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
If you use them in an argument then they are "your claims". You have just as much as admitted that what you earlier tried to use as evidence is actually nonsense.
No, a probability is an objective amount. Is English your first language? I could understand the error if that was the case. At best you could say "chances" or some other less definitive term.
That is now how you calculate probabilities. Just because there are two possible outcomes does not mean that the odds are fifty percent.
When I turn this rock over I may find a diamond worth over $10,000.00. Since it could be there or could not be there the odds are obviously 50%, right? I will sell you my rights to that potential diamond for only $1,000.00. That is quite a deal considering the 50/50 odds.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Your claim, your burden of proof.
Just be careful what sort of "logic" that you use.
It has been done by others. For Jesus many have had a few attempts.
It has been done by some for Baha'u'llah.
If one is interested, they can look them up. I think one was by GL Mathews for Baha'u'llah.
Regards Tony
Bad bet, not a 50/50 as many more probabilities need to be considered, one is if a diamond was actually put under a rock. Then how many rocks are there it could have been under?
Regards Tony
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
No, you are now just telling everyone that all you have is bull****. You are insulting your own version of God when you do this.
Do you really believe? I am beginning to seriously doubt that you believe in your own God.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
How come you can understand this when it comes to rocks and diamonds but you can't for your magical beliefs?
That number only reflects the number of posts where you bluff."It's all damned lies and statistics"
No, it's more like 100%
Statistical models use data, and the more data th better the predictive power. That makes them anywhere from subjective to objective, it just depends on the data.
Well that would be low level data and highly subjective conclusions if there is bias on the part of true believers.