Evidence of NOAH's FLOOD

[SavedByTheLord]

No, they aren't. I need to remind you that you would not know because you refuse to learn what the scientific method is.

I already explained it to you. If you apologize for ignoring the answer that you asked for and ask nicely I will explain it to you again.


By the way, the time to ask questions about an explanation is when it is given. Not days or even weeks afterwards. If you do not object to an explanation that you demanded that is the same as accepting. You do not get to change your mind later.

You have explained all polystrate trees?

The following is just a sketch of what happens for a DNA/RNA based creature to make just a single protein. It is purely mind boggling how amazing and complex and yet how efficient it is. And of course, if you have had any Advanced Biology course, you would have studied was mor than this site describes because it only describes one function of living creatures, although one of the fundamental functions. It is one of the greatest proofs ever that God Almighty exists and created all things, which leads to the corollary that the Bible is the true word of God, and that God created all things in 6 days about 6000 years ago, and that the theory of evolution and billions of years is a lie. It also shows another proof of these facts because how can anyone who sees such an amazing thing ever think it came from natural processes. This delusion comes from the great deceiver.

And protein folding, which is needed for survival of all living creatures, is impossible with evolution.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/biochemistry-genetics-and-molecular-biology/tertiary-structure#:~:text=The%20tertiary%20structure%20of%20a,amino%20acid%20side%20chains%20(Fig.

 

[McBell]

So you think these sites are run by less than qualified people? I take umbrage, severe umbrage.

That would be a really neat trick.
How do you take a trees shadow?
And a severe shadow at that...
What, A redwood tree?

 

[SavedByTheLord]

That would be a really neat trick.
How do you take a trees shadow?
And a severe shadow at that...
What, A redwood tree?

How could even the smallest protein come into being?
The smallest in a person's body is 234 base pairs long. And that does not even consider all the molecules that hold the structure together. There would be about 5000 atoms in such a protein. Nor does it consider the folding that is needed fro the protein. Nor does it consider that there would be a protective structure surrounding it. Nor would it consider that there would be multiple copies of said protein and how could copies come into being.

That is odds against just this smallest of proteins from coming into being as 10^500,000 to 1. And one small protein is not a first living creature.

Study group discussion: Largest protein and the smallest protein in the human body

For awesome medical students - A mix of concepts, notes, mnemonics, discussions, ideas & fun filled with enthusiasm and curiousity. Tags: USMLE MBBS

www.medicowesome.com

 

[metis]

To tell you the truth, I’ve never looked at the Flood that way. I figured that if there had been at least some righteous people, they would’ve gotten on the Ark.

Those of us brought in the Christian tradition of reading scripture as literal history since we were kids tend to do this, and I was one of those. But as time went on, I simply more and more questioned how this could represent a loving God?

Hope you & yours are doing well.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You have explained all polystrate trees?

Yes.

The following is just a sketch of what happens for a DNA/RNA based creature to make just a single protein. It is purely mind boggling how amazing and complex and yet how efficient it is. And of course, if you have had any Advanced Biology course, you would have studied was mor than this site describes because it only describes one function of living creatures, although one of the fundamental functions. It is one of the greatest proofs ever that God Almighty exists and created all things, which leads to the corollary that the Bible is the true word of God, and that God created all things in 6 days about 6000 years ago, and that the theory of evolution and billions of years is a lie. It also shows another proof of these facts because how can anyone who sees such an amazing thing ever think it came from natural processes. This delusion comes from the great deceiver.

And protein folding, which is needed for survival of all living creatures, is impossible with evolution.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/biochemistry-genetics-and-molecular-biology/tertiary-structure#:~:text=The%20tertiary%20structure%20of%20a,amino%20acid%20side%20chains%20(Fig.

Why is it impossible? Just because something is impossible for you to understand does not mean it is impossible for others to understand. And to top off your non sequitur I need to remind you that the people that do understand that accept the fact of evolution at over 99%. In other words it is only the loons among them that deny it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

How could even the smallest protein come into being?
The smallest in a person's body is 234 base pairs long. And that does not even consider all the molecules that hold the structure together. There would be about 5000 atoms in such a protein. Nor does it consider the folding that is needed fro the protein. Nor does it consider that there would be a protective structure surrounding it. Nor would it consider that there would be multiple copies of said protein and how could copies come into being.

That is odds against just this smallest of proteins from coming into being as 10^500,000 to 1. And one small protein is not a first living creature.

Study group discussion: Largest protein and the smallest protein in the human body

For awesome medical students - A mix of concepts, notes, mnemonics, discussions, ideas & fun filled with enthusiasm and curiousity. Tags: USMLE MBBS

www.medicowesome.com

No, don't listen to lying sites that know nothing of how proteins to form. Once again, those that do understand this accept the theory of evolution at a rate of over 99%.

 

[McBell]

How could even the smallest protein come into being?

Well, its mommy and daddy started kissing, which turned into wrestling.....

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Well, its mommy and daddy started kissing, which turned into wrestling.....

Where did the fine tuned orderly laws of nature come from?

 

[McBell]

Where did the fine tuned orderly laws of nature come from?

What fine tuned orderly laws?

 

[SavedByTheLord]

What fine tuned orderly laws?

All the conservation laws, and the 4 forces of nature, the structure of the atom including the electric shells, etc.

Figure 6-55, A few of the unusual nucleotides found in tRNA molecules - Molecular Biology of the Cell - NCBI Bookshelf

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[McBell]

All the conservation laws, and the 4 forces of nature, the structure of the atom including the electric shells, etc.

Figure 6-55, A few of the unusual nucleotides found in tRNA molecules - Molecular Biology of the Cell - NCBI Bookshelf

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Wait, so it is your claim that all of them are fine tuned and orderly?
If so, what are the fined tuned ones fine tuned for?

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Wait, so it is your claim that all of them are fine tuned and orderly?
If so, what are the fined tuned ones fine tuned for?

To make and support living things including all the non livings things that they use.

This really blows away evolution and abiogenesis.

Figure 6-59, Hydrolytic editing - Molecular Biology of the Cell - NCBI Bookshelf

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[McBell]

To make and support living things including all the non livings things that they use.

This really blows away evolution and abiogenesis.

Figure 6-59, Hydrolytic editing - Molecular Biology of the Cell - NCBI Bookshelf

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

So the fine tuned laws made everything?

 

[Monty]

I see where you’re coming from, metis. I better understand your wish to look at it as allegorical.

To tell you the truth, I’ve never looked at the Flood that way. I figured that if there had been at least some righteous people, they would’ve gotten on the Ark.
The account does say the earth “was ruined.” And that “every inclination of the thoughts of (man’s) heart was only bad all the time.”

So, a “little wrongdoing”? I don’t agree with that.

So why were most of Noah's family drowned, including his grandparents (Gen 5:27) and his widowed mother (Gen 5:31) and his aunts & uncles & cousins (Gen 5:26) and most of his brothers and sisters (Gen 5:30), and his other children and grandchildren born before and after his sister Naamah gave birth to their triplets at 500 years old (Gen 5:32) - or so the story goes?
And why weren't Noah's brothers, Jabal & Jubal, drowned with the rest of Noah's family, given that they are the fathers of all nomadic herders and musical instrument makers (Gen 4:20-21) - so the story goes?

But I also know, the Bible promises a Resurrection, of “both the righteous and the unrighteous.” Acts 24:15

I’ll try to address these issues further, at a more convenient time.

Hope you and your wife stay well, my cousin.

And the bible says that unbelievers are saved anyway (1Tim 4:9-11)

 

[Subduction Zone]

To make and support living things including all the non livings things that they use.

This really blows away evolution and abiogenesis.

Figure 6-59, Hydrolytic editing - Molecular Biology of the Cell - NCBI Bookshelf

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

How does it do that? You would need to understand that article to support that claim. All that you are doing is making another argument from ignorance.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

How does it do that? You would need to understand that article to support that claim. All that you are doing is making another argument from ignorance.

Well why don’t you stand up for what you believe and show how it evolved.

There are about 10 billion different proteins in all living things today.
The average protein has about 1 million atoms in it of specific elements each arranged in specific location in 3D space.
The odds against that having evolved is greater than 10^(10^100 billion) to 1.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well why don’t you stand up for what you believe and show how it evolved.

There are about 10 billion different proteins in all living things today.
The average protein has about 1 million atoms in it of specific elements each arranged in specific location in 3D space.
The odds against that having evolved is greater than 10^(10^100 billion) to 1.

Ask proper questions and you will get answers. You cannot ask "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" questions. You cannot as questions that you cannot justify.

So once again, ask honest questions and you will get answers. If you those errors or other logical fallacies your question is void.

 

[Monty]

Well why don’t you stand up for what you believe and show how it evolved.

There are about 10 billion different proteins in all living things today.
The average protein has about 1 million atoms in it of specific elements each arranged in specific location in 3D space.
The odds against that having evolved is greater than 10^(10^100 billion) to 1.

Can you give us a reference listing the 10 billion different proteins in living things. And depending on how you combine the nine essential amino acids and the non-essential amino acids there are trillions of combinations.
But have you ever seen a god?

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Those of us brought in the Christian tradition of reading scripture as literal history since we were kids tend to do this, and I was one of those. But as time went on, I simply more and more questioned how this could represent a loving God?

Hope you & yours are doing well.

Is this life all there is? I think you know the answer to that, my cousin.

A Resurrection is promised.

Now, you & I may differ on the details…. but a resurrection is a “bringing back to life” of the dead.

To help understand the Flood account, it’s important to know who the “sons of God” were, in Genesis 6:1-4. Peter touches on it, in 2 Pet. 2:4,5… and Jude also in Jude 1:6.

Can you imagine living in a world controlled by wicked spirits? And the human females… they took “all whom they chose”? Your daughter? Your wife?



It explains why the Flood had to be global, and killed the animals… there was no place, no thing, and no animal these wicked spirits could possess.

Can they possess things?
Apparently they can…we have the account of Jesus letting some of these spirits enter a herd of swine.

Someone reading about God killing the animals…if taken allegorically, why put that in there? What would God ‘killing the animals’, teach us?

Prior to being one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, I wasn’t sure. But now, I always read the Genesis Flood account, in light of God’s promise of the resurrection.

And as 2 Peter 2:4-6 states, the Flood & Sodom events are “setting a pattern for ungodly people of things to come.”

I have no problem with that. A loving God, in the future, will restore life, while getting rid of the wicked, i.e., those who want to cause trouble. That is loving, too.

So long.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Can you give us a reference listing the 10 billion different proteins in living things. And depending on how you combine the nine essential amino acids and the non-essential amino acids there are trillions of combinations.
But have you ever seen a god?

Sure, here it is, I have not seen God, but I know His existence because of His creation.

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