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Evidence of NOAH's FLOOD

Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Monty

Active Member
Hockeycowboy said:
Is this life all there is? I think you know the answer to that, my cousin.

A Resurrection is promised.

Now, you & I may differ on the details…. but a resurrection is a “bringing back to life” of the dead.

To help understand the Flood account, it’s important to know who the “sons of God” were, in Genesis 6:1-4. Peter touches on it, in 2 Pet. 2:4,5… and Jude also in Jude 1:6.

Can you imagine living in a world controlled by wicked spirits? And the human females… they took “all whom they chose”? Your daughter? Your wife?



It explains why the Flood had to be global, and killed the animals… there was no place, no thing, and no animal these wicked spirits could possess.

Can they possess things?
Apparently they can…we have the account of Jesus letting some of these spirits enter a herd of swine.

Someone reading about God killing the animals…if taken allegorically, why put that in there? What would God ‘killing the animals’, teach us?

Prior to being one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, I wasn’t sure. But now, I always read the Genesis Flood account, in light of God’s promise of the resurrection.

And as 2 Peter 2:4-6 states, the Flood & Sodom events are “setting a pattern for ungodly people of things to come.”

I have no problem with that. A loving God, in the future, will restore life, while getting rid of the wicked, i.e., those who want to cause trouble. That is loving, too.

So long.
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But why weren't Noah's brothers Jabal and Jubal also drowned with most of their family?
And why wasn't the olive tree affected by the flood either?
 
SavedByTheLord

SavedByTheLord

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Monty said:
But why weren't Noah's brothers Jabal and Jubal also drowned with most of their family?
And why wasn't the olive tree affected by the flood either?.
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Trees survived by their seeds.
Only 8 survived on the ark, Noah, his wife, their 3 sons and their 3 daughters in law.
 
M

Monty

Active Member
SavedByTheLord said:
Trees survived by their seeds.
Only 8 survived on the ark, Noah, his wife, their 3 sons and their 3 daughters in law.
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But have you ever actually read the bible which says Noah's pet bird picked a fresh leaf from a mature olive tree which was growing outside the flooded area and unaffected by the flood (Gen 8:11) and doesn't say anything about Noah's pet bird eating a seed?
And the bible says that Noah's brothers (Jabal & Jubal) and their families were not drowned since they are the fathers of all nomadic herders and musical instrument makers (Gen 4:20-21) whereas Noah only built a boat.
And why didn't Noah save any of his family including his grandparents and his mother and his other children and grandchildren, instead of saving 14 Asian elephants and 14 African bush elephants and 14 African savanna elephants and 14 African hill elephants and 14 Tyranosaurus rex etc etc
Or don't believe what the bible actually says and means?
 
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Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Monty said:
But have you ever actually read the bible which says Noah's pet bird picked a fresh leaf from a mature olive tree which was growing outside the flooded area and unaffected by the flood (Gen 8:11) and doesn't say anything about Noah's pet bird eating a seed?
And the bible says that Noah's brothers (Jabal & Jubal) and their families were not drowned since they are the fathers of all nomadic herders and musical instrument makers (Gen 4:20-21) whereas Noah only built a boat.
Or don't believe what the bible actually says and means?
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The Bible contradicts itself all of the time. This will be just handwaved away.
 
blü 2

blü 2

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Premium Member
SavedByTheLord said:
You just said that in looking in the mirror, you see the bull.

What was the first living thing made of? Was it DNA? Was it RNA? Was it just proteins? Was it some mix?
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I've answered that question for you at least twice.

Were you not paying attention? Is it just something you parrot into the void?


AND you haven't got back to me how magic works, ie the method by which Genesis creation was accomplished. Just saying it was all done by magic explains absolutely nothing. HOW was it done?

If you don't know ─ and of course you don't ─ just say so, as an honest person ─ including an honest Christian ─ is expected to do.
 
TagliatelliMonster

TagliatelliMonster

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SavedByTheLord said:
How does one explain polystrate trees?
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SavedByTheLord said:
How does one explain soft tissue and blood vessels in dinosaur tissue?
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CC371.1: Tyrannosaurus tissues from bone

www.talkorigins.org

SavedByTheLord said:
How does one explain dinosaur tissue with DNA and other biomolecules still being intact?
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CC371.1: Tyrannosaurus tissues from bone

www.talkorigins.org
SavedByTheLord said:
How does one explain dinosaur tissue, and diamonds that are not C-14 dead?
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CC371.1: Tyrannosaurus tissues from bone

www.talkorigins.org
SavedByTheLord said:
Why is there too much C-14 in some samples of coal and fossilized wood?
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CD011.6: C14 date of old oil

www.talkorigins.org www.talkorigins.org

SavedByTheLord said:
How do you explain parentless polonium 210 radiohaloes in granites?

How do you explain elliptical polonium 210 halos in the same strata with circular halos?
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CF201: Polonium Haloes

www.talkorigins.org www.talkorigins.org
SavedByTheLord said:
If intelligent man was around for 100,000 years or more, Cro-Magnon for about 40,000 years, why did he not figure out how to drop a seed in the ground and farm? How did they go from nothing to farming? Why does this phenomenon occur in diverse places around the world at the same?
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SavedByTheLord said:
Where are all the structures that the built? The pyramids are about 4200 years old. How did they go from nothing to that? And this phenomenon occurs in many parts of the world about the same time?

Where are all the writings from before 6000 years ago? Yet they go from nothing to writings. Why does this phenomenon occur in a number of places around the world at the same?

Why are there no calendars over 6000 years?

History is too short. Why?
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Because you ignore in irrational denial all the stuff older then 6000 years. We have a very rich history of artwork, buildings, tool-making, etc that goes back as far as 3.3 million years.

This:

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...is not a proper argument
 
gnostic

gnostic

The Lost One
SavedByTheLord said:
The estimate is about 10 billion proteins types in all living things today.
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you are generalising.

Bacterias are all living organisms, and each in bacteria has only one cell, and the largest individual bacteria can grow as much as 10 micrometer. It is impossible for a unicellular organism to have 10 billion protein types in a single cell.

So in the case of unicellular organisms in the Bacteria domain or in the Archaea domain, your claim is false.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Hockeycowboy said:
Is this life all there is? I think you know the answer to that, my cousin.
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I don't know as I don't believe everything I read. If there's objective evidence of such, I certainly haven't seen it.
Hockeycowboy said:
To help understand the Flood account, it’s important to know who the “sons of God” were, in Genesis 6:1-4. Peter touches on it, in 2 Pet. 2:4,5… and Jude also in Jude 1:6.
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As with Jesus' parables, such "events" are treated as being real history. The early Church had to deal with this and decided that whether they are historical events or not is not important, but the moral of the message(s) is/are. Whether the Flood narrative was real or a myth for teaching purposes has 0 effect on our lives today, but the basic morals taught can.
 
SavedByTheLord

SavedByTheLord

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gnostic said:
you are generalising.

Bacterias are all living organisms, and each in bacteria has only one cell, and the largest individual bacteria can grow as much as 10 micrometer. It is impossible for a unicellular organism to have 10 billion protein types in a single cell.

So in the case of unicellular organisms in the Bacteria domain or in the Archaea domain, your claim is false.
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No. No. No single individual creature has 10 billion unique types of proteins.

But an analysis of ALL living creatures reveals about 10 billion unique types of proteins.
 
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