Evidence of the Non-Physical

[Sheldon]

who established the laws of gravity, Mr adolescent?

Sir Isaac Newton.

No, he didn't, Bazinga.

Yes he did, in 1687.

 

[Hidingfromyou]

If you were a little bit more introspective and wise, then you would appreciate the significance of of God's austerity in these circumstances. I feel that I am no better than Adam, the Canaanites, the Gentiles, nor any other Christian, who, by definition, considers themselves to be reprobate, like myself. We all deserve to die - thank God for His patience and mercy (grace is free).

How do you feel about a believer of another religion telling you exactly this, but about their mythological figures?

 

[DNB]

No. my fellow human. I believe differently than you. So what happens in your system, if I am not morally sound according to your system?

According to my religion: you will be regarded as a sinner, and be met with God's wrath.
...unless you repent.

 

[Sheldon]

We all deserve to die - thank God for His patience and mercy (grace is free).

According to the bible, the deity in it tortured King David's new born baby to death over 7 days, because he was angered that the parents had conceived it in an adulterous relationship.

I think perhaps you mean something different to me, when you say patience and mercy. As angrily torturing new born babies to death, is not my idea of patience or mercy.

 

[Sheldon]

According to my religion: you will be regarded as a sinner, and be met with God's wrath.
...unless you repent.

I'm going to be honest, this doesn't really worry me at all, and certainly less than global warming.

 

[DNB]

Name one moral act a theist can do that an atheist cannot? Lets not forget you yourself have espoused homophobic comments on here, so I wonder if your morals care about the well being of others, or avoiding and if possible preventing unnecessary suffering?

Blind adherence to archaic religious dogma isn't morality. Now while I accept the basis for human morality is always subjective, how do you know that what the bible teaches is moral? If you can recognise something as moral then you wouldn't need divine diktat one assumes, if you can't then moral diktat would be no good to you, as you would have no way to know it was moral.

For example in Exodus 21 the bible lays out rules purported to be from a deity, that specifically explain how to buy and own slaves. Do you think there is any context where owning another human being is moral? I personally do not, though that is a subjective moral view of course.

God wrote, 'Be Holy, as I am Holy'. Therefore, who knows the parameters of holiness, outside of knowing who God is?

 

[DNB]

Yes he did, in 1687.

He articulated his observations, he did not establish the rules as in creating and defining the law.

 

[Hidingfromyou]

According to my religion: you will be regarded as a sinner, and be met with God's wrath.
...unless you repent.

You're going to be serving in the Muslim afterlife, or in their hell.

Does this keep you awake at night?

 

[Sheldon]

God wrote, 'Be Holy, as I am Holy'. Therefore, who knows the parameters of holiness, outside of knowing who God is?

You seem to have ignored both my questions, so here they are again then?

Name one moral act a theist can do that an atheist cannot?

For example in Exodus 21 the bible lays out rules purported to be from a deity, that specifically explain how to buy and own slaves. Do you think there is any context where owning another human being is moral?

 

[Hidingfromyou]

I'm going to be honest, this doesn't really worry me at all, and certainly less than global warming.

Don't worry about what he says. My religious belief trumps all religious belief, so saith my holy book. And you, specifically, get to have an enormous heaven of pretty much whatever you want, albeit with 3 act struggles, like a storyline. That's just so you don't get bored.

There's also a window where you can go look at the Christians. But I don't recommend that. They spend all their days singing the same praises over and over. Pretty boring channel.

The Valhalla channel is the one to watch! All that fighting. Then drinking. Then more fighting!

 

[DNB]

According to the bible, the deity in it tortured King David's new born baby to death over 7 days, because he was angered that the parents had conceived it in an adulterous relationship.

I think perhaps you mean something different to me, when you say patience and mercy. As angrily torturing new born babies to death, is not my idea of patience or mercy.

GET FLIPPIN' REAL!!!
What excuses are you trying make, Bazinga?
You are so darn selective in your responses, Sheldon. You're not being serious.
DO YOU HAVE A FLIPPIN' CLUE WHY GOD PUNISHED DAVID?

You're playing games Sheldon.

 

[Sheldon]

He articulated his observations, he did not establish the rules as in creating and defining the law.

Yes he absolutely did. Scientific laws are descriptive, and not prescriptive, and they are created by scientists, like Sir Isaac Newton, who in 1687 created the scientific laws contained in his theory of gravity.

 

[DNB]

You seem to have ignored both my questions, so here they are again then?

You are way too selective in your responses. Clearly being a slave in Moses' time 1400+- BC, was different than the connotation has today. If you were being sincere and read the entire pericope, you'd see the actual relationship between Master and Slave was more civil and respectful than what you are attempting to purport.

21 “These are the laws you are to set before them:

Hebrew Servants
2 “If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything. 3 If he comes alone, he is to go free alone; but if he has a wife when he comes, she is to go with him. 4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her master, and only the man shall go free.

5 “But if the servant declares, ‘I love my master and my wife and children and do not want to go free,’ 6 then his master must take him before the judges. He shall take him to the door or the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life.

7 “If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. 8 If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. 9 If he selects her for his son, he must grant her the rights of a daughter. 10 If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights. 11 If he does not provide her with these three things, she is to go free, without any payment of money.

 

[DNB]

Yes he absolutely did. Scientific laws are descriptive, and not prescriptive, and they are created by scientists, like Sir Isaac Newton, who in 1687 created the scientific laws contained in his theory of gravity.

Why are you so oblivious as to the point being made?
Newton studied gravity, he did not create its force nor laws.
You're incorrigible.

 

[Sheldon]

GET FLIPPIN' REAL!!!
What excuses are you trying make, Bazinga?
You are so darn selective in your responses, Sheldon. You're not being serious.
DO YOU HAVE A FLIPPIN' CLUE WHY GOD PUNISHED DAVID?

You're playing games Sheldon.

Yes, it's in my post which you have ignored, here it is again then:

According to the bible, the deity in it tortured King David's new born baby to death over 7 days, because he was angered that the parents had conceived it in an adulterous relationship.

I think perhaps you mean something different to me, when you say patience and mercy. As angrily torturing new born babies to death, is not my idea of patience or mercy.

I emboldened the reason the bible gives for you. Look it up if you don't believe me.

2 Samuel 15...

And the Lord struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick.

16 David therefore besought God for the child; and David fasted, and went in, and lay all night upon the earth.

17 And the elders of his house arose, and went to him, to raise him up from the earth: but he would not, neither did he eat bread with them.

18 And it came to pass on the seventh day, that the child died.

 

[DNB]

You're going to be serving in the Muslim afterlife, or in their hell.

Does this keep you awake at night?

Muslim?

 

[Hidingfromyou]

Muslim?

Islam? Sometimes I get those confused.

My question is: how worried are you that in other religions you're going to their hells?

 

[Sheldon]

You are way too selective in your responses. Clearly being a slave in Moses' time 1400+- BC, was different than the connotation has today.

That's hilarious, I asked you very specifically if there was any context in which you thought owning slaves was morally acceptable? How does quoting a biblical text I had referenced that endorses slavery, remotely answer that?

Since you also asserted one can only be moral by adhering to biblical diktat, I also asked you quite specifically what moral action a theist can do that an atheist can't?

You seem to ignore specific question a lot, why is that I wonder?

 

[Hidingfromyou]

Why are you so oblivious as to the point being made?
Newton studied gravity, he did not create its force nor laws.
You're incorrigible.

The point he's trying to make is that the thing that you're calling "laws of gravity" are just an explanatory model that Newton came up with. And we know the model isn't even correct. It's good for everyday use, but not as correct as, say, Einstein's spacetime model.

Anyways, why do you believe there's a "who" necessary for gravity to work?

 

[Sheldon]

Why are you so oblivious as to the point being made?
Newton studied gravity, he did not create its force nor laws.
You're incorrigible.

I never said he created it's forces, you're moving the goal posts now, I said he did create the laws, which was what you asked. You don't seem to understand what I have said, or you don't understand what you asked, or both of course.

Nonetheless the scientific laws of gravity were created by Sir Isaac Newton in 1687, and he published these in his “Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica”.