Evidence of the Non-Physical

[mikkel_the_dane]

I believe that would be like saying show the thoughts without the spoken word or written word. Of course that can't be done because thoughts are not physical. There have been those who have said they can read minds but I do not know how valid those claims are.

The words here are as signs are physical. How do you explain that?

 

[Nakosis]

I believe thoughts are not physical but I doubt there is anyone who does not believe in them because they can see the effects of them in the spoken word and writing.

Ok, but a physical process for such things do exist.
The words/thoughts I type on my computer are stored and conveyed to you through a physical process which is completely know and understood.

Why would you think the thought process inside your head could not also be a physical process?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Ok, but a physical process for such things do exist.
The words/thoughts I type on my computer are stored and conveyed to you through a physical process which is completely know and understood.

Why would you think the thought process inside your head could not also be a physical process?

Because you can't express the meaning of this sentence in physical terms.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Then just show the non-physical without the use of physical parts like airflow or this screen.

Vulcans can do that.
They can do mind-melds.

 

[ChristineM]

I believe that is what my wife thought until the Ouija board gave her a message that was not from her and not even in a language she knew. It was Latin: ecce homo. She asked me what it meant since I took Latin in school. It means Behold the man and was spoken by Pontius Pilot after Jesus had been scourged and presented before the people.

Ok, I wonder if it could be repeated under experimental conditions?

 

[Sheldon]

Sorry, you need to start showing an aptitude for depth of thought before we can progress to the next steps.

 

[Sheldon]

Sorry, but coming from somebody who has posted so many baseless assertions and meaningless one-liners, this is hilarious.

I found the notion his endlessly vapid sermons had anymore levels a deeply depressing notion. I am picturing a snake oil salesman handing out thick glossy brochures, and asking us to turn to page 1. KMN

 

[Sheldon]

I believe thoughts are not physical but I doubt there is anyone who does not believe in them because they can see the effects of them in the spoken word and writing.

Well done, they are also always derived in every example we have, from a functioning physical brain. Now do you see how that is a very different concept from the "Emperor's new suit"?

 

[Nakosis]

Because you can't express the meaning of this sentence in physical terms.

And yet Alexa can understand the meaning of just about any sentence you would like to say without a single brain cell in it's system.

The sentence gets converted into a series of electrical charges which has meaning to Alexa's AI.

 

[Sheldon]

I believe that is what my wife thought until the Ouija board gave her a message that was not from her and not even in a language she knew. It was Latin: ecce homo. She asked me what it meant since I took Latin in school. It means Behold the man and was spoken by Pontius Pilot after Jesus had been scourged and presented before the people.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Well done, they are also always derived in every example we have, from a functioning physical brain. Now do you see how that is a very different concept from the "Emperor's new suit"?

Well, there is no evidence for the claim of the non-physical, therefore such a claim is meaningless. What is the problem with that sentence of mine?
Hint, it is about logic.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

And yet Alexa can understand the meaning of just about any sentence you would like to say without a single brain cell in it's system.

The sentence gets converted into a series of electrical charges which has meaning to Alexa's AI.

Show that it has meaning to the AI.

 

[Nakosis]

Show that it has meaning to the AI.

Sure, if you have an Alexa or a friend who does. Ask it a question and see if you get a meaningful response.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Sure, if you have an Alexa or a friend who does. Ask it a question and see if you get a meaningful response.

Are you familiar with the Chinese room by John Searle?

 

[Nakosis]

Are you familiar with the Chinese room by John Searle?

You understand it does not matter whether the computer understands Chinese or English in this case as the sentence is converted into a language which the computer can understand.

So the equivalent would be to have add another room which housed a translator which understood both Chinese and the native language of the person in the final room.
I suppose you on the outside may not be aware of the internal process but that is how it works.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

You understand it does not matter whether the computer understands Chinese or English in this case as the sentence is converted into a language which the computer can understand.

So the equivalent would be to have add another room which housed a translator which understood both Chinese and the native language of the person in the final room.
I suppose you on the outside may not be aware of the internal process but that is how it works.

What ever.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Sure, if you have an Alexa or a friend who does. Ask it a question and see if you get a meaningful response.

..like "Alexa, will you sleep with me?"

Alexa: "I now have a male option for my voice"

Oops.

 

[Nakosis]

What ever.

Ok, well if you don't like mine, there exists plenty of other criticisms of the Chinese room thought experiment.

 

[greenboy21x]

What is your evidence of the existence of the non-physical?

Your consciousness

 

[Nakosis]

Your consciousness

Ok, how do you define consciousness.

The general definition of consciousness can be applied to any computer system.
What sets human consciousness apart?