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Evidence of the Non-Physical

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Astrology is a science, it's based on the revolution and orientation of the planets, and it physical affects on the human development in the womb. It is calculated by mathematical equations and other quantifiable means.

And it doesn't work. It is evidence-free nonsense.

Regardless, the point was that there are all sorts of things that only human animals understand, so again, what's your point?
 
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rational experiences

Veteran Member
Do you live in God O creator earths gas spirit heavens?

Yes we do the clear water portion not the clear gas part. Why man said the immaculate clear gas belonged to gods heavens. It's body was sacrificed to produce gas light.....humans are just humans first.

O earth owned all powers and jewels.

Not man.

Man owned self food supplied by trees ground in nature plus trees oxygenation in the sea of life support.

Natural.

Natural means balanced.

Greed an abstract human group lying choice began all wrongs committed in human life by humans.
 

DNB

Christian
And it doesn't work. It is evidence-free nonsense.

Regardless, the point was that there are all sorts of things that only human animals understand, so again, what's your point?
That there is a dimension in man that transcends the physical.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
That makes sense to you? Exactly what dimension is this in man that you made up, curious minds want to know.

Well, there is the hard problem in consciousness. Or if you like, the mental/subjective is caused by the physical, but can't be reduced to it.
Now that doesn't mean that it is evidence for God. It just means that the belief the universe is physical, is just that - a belief.

As an atheist, but also skeptic, I don't believe in any positive metaphysics.
 

Suave

Simulated character
What is your evidence of the existence of the non-physical?

Physical:
2a: having material existence : perceptible especially through the senses and subject to the laws of nature
everything physical is measurable by weight, motion, and resistance
— Thomas De Quincey
b: of or relating to material things


As a "materialist", evidence requires some physicality. If it is not physical, it is not usable to justify belief.

Is that position wrong?

Some physicists have proposed a method for testing if we are in a numerical simulated cubic space-time lattice Matrix or simulated universe with an underlying grid.
[1210.1847] Constraints on the Universe as a Numerical Simulation

Based on the assumption that there'd be finite computational resources, a simulated universe would be performed by dividing up the space-time continuum into individually separate and distinctive points. Analogous to mini-simulations that lattice-gauge theorists conduct to construct nuclei based on Quantum Chromodynamics, observable effects of a grid-like space-time have been studied from these computer simulations which use a 3-D grid to model how elementary particles move and collide with each other. Anomalies found in these simulations suggest that if we are in a simulation universe with an underlying grid, then there'd be various amounts of high energy cosmic rays coming at us from each direction; but if space is continuous, then there'd be high energy cosmic rays coming at us equally from every direction.
In a simulated universe, we'd expect to observe cosmic rays travelling predominately along the axes of the lattice of our simulated universe/Matrix in contrast to being observed emanating equally in all directions of unconstrained space; this implies the existence of a simulator ( a.k.a. -God)

High Energy Physics - Phenomenology
Constraints on the Universe as a Numerical Simulation
Silas R. Beane, Zohreh Davoudi, Martin J. Savage
(Submitted on 4 Oct 2012 (v1), last revised 9 Nov 2012 (this version, v2))
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Back to baseless assertions. :rolleyes:

Well, yes. As religion it is baseless. As the hard problem in consciousness, not so much.

The problem is that some people use that as an invalid deduction.

P1: There is a hard problem in consciousness.
C: Therefore there is a God,

But that is not unique.
P1: There are some physical processes in the everyday world.
C: Therefore all of the world can be described in purely physical terms and the world is physical.

So as a skeptic, I don't believe in God for several reasons and I don't believe in that the world is physical, since I don't believe in reductive physicalism. I believe in this though:
"that there is an objective reality shared by all rational observers."
Philosophy of science - Wikipedia

I haven't been able to find one or several methodologies that only yield positive rational and/or objective answers for all of the everyday world. But that is just me as a global skeptic. :)
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
What is your evidence of the existence of the non-physical?

Physical:
2a: having material existence : perceptible especially through the senses and subject to the laws of nature
everything physical is measurable by weight, motion, and resistance
— Thomas De Quincey
b: of or relating to material things


As a "materialist", evidence requires some physicality. If it is not physical, it is not usable to justify belief.

Is that position wrong?

I believe thoughts are not physical but I doubt there is anyone who does not believe in them because they can see the effects of them in the spoken word and writing.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
I believe thoughts are not physical but I doubt there is anyone who does not believe in them because they can see the effects of them in the spoken word and writing.

Then just show the non-physical without the use of physical parts like airflow or this screen.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I don't believe it's wrong. Its certainly how i consider what is evidence

I believe that is what my wife thought until the Ouija board gave her a message that was not from her and not even in a language she knew. It was Latin: ecce homo. She asked me what it meant since I took Latin in school. It means Behold the man and was spoken by Pontius Pilot after Jesus had been scourged and presented before the people.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Then just show the non-physical without the use of physical parts like airflow or this screen.

I believe that would be like saying show the thoughts without the spoken word or written word. Of course that can't be done because thoughts are not physical. There have been those who have said they can read minds but I do not know how valid those claims are.
 
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