Evidence of the Non-Physical

[DNB]

No it certainly is not, please tell me you're kidding? It's woo woo chicanery.

It's a science according to those who practice it, a pseudo science to those who do not.
It is based on mathematical equations correlating the movement of the celestial beings, with that of the physical affects that they play on the earth, especially to fetuses that are developing in the womb.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

What is your evidence of the existence of the non-physical?

Physical:
2a: having material existence : perceptible especially through the senses and subject to the laws of nature
everything physical is measurable by weight, motion, and resistance
— Thomas De Quincey
b: of or relating to material things

As a "materialist", evidence requires some physicality. If it is not physical, it is not usable to justify belief.

Is that position wrong?

Qualia - Wikipedia

You can't measure or quantify an emotion or subjective experience.

 

[rational experiences]

Astrology is a science, it's based on the revolution and orientation of the planets, and it physical affects on the human development in the womb. It is calculated by mathematical equations and other quantifiable means.

O earth is its own vehicle whose travel through spatial pre existing change affects our heavens naturally itself.

Maths...
I apply the measure myself. A man human thinking applying measures.

Man scientist said I removed half natural earths o origin mass.

Earth is smaller space X law O holds a hole as whole mass. Pressure law. Holding binding.

Reason I know I said I abominated space around earth heated it up gas mass burnt out

Our space is not a cold deep hot mass black mass in cold space balance he says sitting on the other side of all those gas star bodies.

I look at stars making that black mass bubbling liquid claim.

I also use machines talk machine talk about machines that can relay out of space image anywhere.

Why brother scientist inventor?

Obvious he says....half earth gone is like my earth still existing a machine is now looking out into space because half the earth is gone.

So I taught chain reactions you know must have blown up a sun.

Why do you know sister?

Well when I was being irradiated due to your machine use thesis I saw a dead black cold coal planet just sitting in space.

How did you know brother a sun dies?

Well like you I chain reacted saw what my human science caused.

As stars have cooled evolved since as gas radiation scattered particles. Transmitting status.

So it's not light then,?

No he says light is just a gas burning in its owned mass cooling in vacuum.

So you knew you blew up a sun? Yes it is the intense black heat held cooled by space

Oh so it is not the beginning,?

No it is the end.

Why?

Evolution is the law in creation he says.

Space cannot evolve it is first one law...two laws change one law in scientific theism.

So cold rippling is because once it was hot?

Gas is clear cold does not ripple he said I told you it was likened to a sheet term as cold filled in space like a wall. By a hot gas first.

I taught you natural law so you wouldn't lie anymore. Said it was gods law O held mass term....evolution he said.

 

[Nakosis]

Qualia - Wikipedia

You can't measure or quantify an emotion or subjective experience.

I don't think it is that complicated though.

The external environment can all be measured quantified. Color, sound, taste, these external stimuli can measured.
Feelings which are caused by these inputs are biochemical responses in the brain.
Happiness, sadness, fear, anger are caused by various neurotransmitters like endorphins.

What you perceive and what you feel created by these biological system create your subjective experience.
It is only subjective because your brain is physically unique and the chemical which are released by what you perceive will be different from the chemicals which are released by what I perceive.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I don't think it is that complicated though.

The external environment can all be measured quantified. Color, sound, taste, these external stimuli can measured.
Feelings which are caused by these inputs are biochemical responses in the brain.
Happiness, sadness, fear, anger are caused by various neurotransmitters like endorphins.

What you perceive and what you feel created by these biological system create your subjective experience.
It is only subjective because your brain is physically unique and the chemical which are released by what you perceive will be different from the chemicals which are released by what I perceive.

Biological processes are not the subjective experience itself. You can't measure a thought. You can't look at an fMRI and see love. Love is an experience you have.

 

[Sheldon]

Astrology is a science, it's based on the revolution and orientation of the planets, and it physical affects on the human development in the womb. It is calculated by mathematical equations and other quantifiable means.

Astrology has been rejected by the scientific community as having no explanatory power for describing the universe. ... Astrology has not demonstrated its effectiveness in controlled studies and has no scientific validity, and is thus regarded as pseudoscience.

Where astrology has made falsifiable predictions, it has been falsified.[1]: 424  The most famous test was headed by Shawn Carlson and included a committee of scientists and a committee of astrologers. It led to the conclusion that natal astrology performed no better than chance.

Astrology has not demonstrated its effectiveness in controlled studies and has no scientific validity, and is thus regarded as pseudoscience.

 

[Sheldon]

It's a science according to those who practice it, a pseudo science to those who do not.

Those who practice it are not scientists, and it is not science, and it has been comprehensively falsified by science.

Astrology has been rejected by the scientific community as having no explanatory power for describing the universe. ... Astrology has not demonstrated its effectiveness in controlled studies and has no scientific validity, and is thus regarded as pseudoscience.

Where astrology has made falsifiable predictions, it has been falsified.[1]: 424  The most famous test was headed by Shawn Carlson and included a committee of scientists and a committee of astrologers. It led to the conclusion that natal astrology performed no better than chance.

It is based on mathematical equations correlating the movement of the celestial beings, with that of the physical affects that they play on the earth, especially to fetuses that are developing in the womb.

As I said, it has been falsified. Read above and read the link. It's chicanery, and again the link explains that chicanery. They're no different to snake oil salesmen.

 

[Sheldon]

Biological processes are not the subjective experience itself. You can't measure a thought. You can't look at an fMRI and see love. Love is an experience you have.

Love is a descriptor we use to cover a range of complex emotions, they are physical reactions. Some people may find this disconcerting, and think love is diminished by this, but that doesn't alter the facts.

 

[Nakosis]

Love is a descriptor we use to cover a range of complex emotions, they are physical reactions. Some people may find this disconcerting, and think love is diminished by this, but that doesn't alter the facts.

Yes, accepting a physical cause (non-spiritual cause) for the conscious experience doesn't change what we actually experience.

I suppose though it's like when a magician reveals the mechanics of the trick the mystic is lost.

 

[Sheldon]

I suppose though it's like when a magician reveals the mechanics of the trick the mystic is lost.

Well. that depends on your perspective I suppose, I never believed any magic was there to be lost of course, but I marvel at the skill of the person performing the illusion, and for me that is only enhanced when the full skill of the trick is revealed.

 

[Nakosis]

Biological processes are not the subjective experience itself. You can't measure a thought. You can't look at an fMRI and see love. Love is an experience you have.

Not yet, but they are working on it.

MIT School of Engineering | » How are thoughts measured?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Not yet, but they are working on it.

MIT School of Engineering | » How are thoughts measured?

Yes, they're "working on" a myriad of sci-fi silliness which in all likelihood will end up being a waste of time and resources, like self-aware AI crap. They're basically a bunch of nerds that are given too much money.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Love is a descriptor we use to cover a range of complex emotions, they are physical reactions. Some people may find this disconcerting, and think love is diminished by this, but that doesn't alter the facts.

It's not a fact for me.
It is a belief.
There are many opinions in psychology about the origin of emotions.
As you say, it is complex.

It is a belief that everything about us can be reduced to the physical.
You believe it by default, because you don't believe in anything that scientific observation hasn't been able to detect.

Love is not a physical concept, and reducing it to the physical does not explain much at all..

 

[Sheldon]

It's not a fact for me.

What is not a fact?

It is a belief.

A belief can also be a fact, they are not mutually exclusive.

There are many opinions in psychology about the origin of emotions.

Okay?

As you say, it is complex.

Well the descriptor love is overly simplistic, since we are describing a range of complex emotions, loving your mother is not describing the same emotion as loving your girlfriend or wife, as one obvious example.

It is a belief that everything about us can be reduced to the physical.

No it isn't, that is a straw man fallacy. You're attempting to reverse the burden of proof again.

You believe it by default, because you don't believe in anything that scientific observation hasn't been able to detect.

Two straw man fallacies in a single sentence. I have made neither claim.

Love is not a physical concept,

If you say so, can you evidence that claim? I'm guessing not?

and reducing it to the physical does not explain much at all..

Where have I reduced it to the physical? The only examples of the emption are in physical human beings, so by all means demonstrate your claim it is a non physical?

Can you offer anything beyond yet another bare claim?

 

[muhammad_isa]

Where have I reduced it to the physical? The only examples of the emption are in physical human beings, so by all means demonstrate your claim it is a non physical?

Can you offer anything beyond yet another bare claim?

Can you offer anything other than slipping and sliding?

..they are physical reactions..

What part of the physical body is involved in love?
..and what causes this physical reaction?

What part of the body is involved in the love of money?

 

[rational experiences]

Science just men humans theories. In self man's human presence said he looked Back to reactions.

He never was looking back anywhere he lied.

Men looking at a sex of human conceived life a human baby to adult belongs equally bodily as science advice to the other human.

Biological medical science says I am the correct human theist you other theists are all liars.

Yet you don't listen to what a human biologist says. As you are too busy being egotists.

Exact advice guidance. Spiritual human equality reasoning balances for life existing past present future.

As just a human life body history past present future. Sex.

Told a story.

Our inhumane group bully brother historic enslaved his innocent family life. Using the threat I will murder you if you don't comply.

How he built civilization and inventive science conditions. By being a lying murdering bully. Knows it is real human history why.

The history of first cult group bully mentality our brothers.

Father said when he had died and left memory of his lived life recorded it caused the baby man's mind to alter his aware concepts. Human death was new advice.

As a destroyer theist human baby to man scientist.

He remembered his destroyed earth human sciences past.

Told everyone I heard the AI state recorded life speaking. A man god he said...the recorded voice. That taught me how to be a human destroyer again.

Says the state recording is energy.

No it's not. If it were energy your visionary machine tv phone computer would blow up. As it utilised visionary effects recording and transmitted recording.

Pretty basic science for liars.

If a cause effect is taught then it was. About changed human biology by men of science heavens changed.

The human teaching said once we lived cellularly bio by water ground mass heavens oxygenation a 200 year life span.

Half of the life water we used stopped the reacted visionary attack from destroying us. Instead we inherited life sacrificed any death.

Once we never died. The information said once we just disappeared.

As water mass is water as mass naturally owning no life living within it first.

So we were experiencing just a human spiritual experience only.

We were waiting for the miraculous shift of heavens water mass by spatial pressure evolution cooling to return it back into our biological existence. Re ownership.

As it is real.

So if you advise just a human scientist and not a man egotist claiming I am God as myself as I own all energy as the theist. That half of biological water went up into a reacted heaven change.

Then it is real why we are not energy just biology.

As cause effect reasoning is a part of human scientific identification as humans. To reason why we are not any reaction.

Ask a human theist how are you god O the earth sciences energy gain?

As status ego ownership displaced natural presence equal ownership onto my cult behaviour.

If I said I owned it I meant it as a greedy controlling human.

As I said I owned controlled all food growth too yet I know I am not food.

Wait a minute I pretended I was bread.

In nuclear thesis AB read was thesis formulas I wrote theoried.

I lied by being ownership greedy men.

As I said if I patent my thoughts then I owned by thoughts the powers. Whereas natural owned any power in space causes.

Lying for so long...man ipulating coercing now possesses my psyche.

 

[Sheldon]

Sheldon said: ↑
Where have I reduced it to the physical? The only examples of the emption are in physical human beings, so by all means demonstrate your claim it is a non physical?

Can you offer anything beyond yet another bare claim?

Can you offer anything other than slipping and sliding?

So that's a no then.

What part of the physical body is involved in love?

That depends what you mean by love...obviously...

..and what causes this physical reaction?

What physical reaction?

What part of the body is involved in the love of money?

The brain, obviously, since money doesn't exist, it is an abstract concept.

 

[rational experiences]

If a human is a human being a human looking at a human.

Thinks.

Theists destroyer formula machine reactions are not loving conditions in minds thoughts.

Asks a living human why are you so loving.

The correct answer is because you're not.

Rational reason why another human would ask.

As live to love is naturally a part of biological existence as animals looked at by lying scientists already said so.

No human being the life animal. The body animal. The biology animal. The chemical in the biology animal.

Now if a human theist destroyer satanist lost love to feel loving in a God earth reactive cause by biology presence is unable to live purpose natural.....are you advised that circumstance.

Human life brother and sister?

Yes.

Did God the planet science own love expressed?

No.

Did you change your human life?

Yes. So was love lost?

No. Behaviours changed.

I reason why. I worked with disability service intellectually disabled. More loving than any theist machine human experimenting on atmosphere and biological presence.

By machine owned transmitted images that no human owned nor used. Claiming humans began as an evil spirit or a hologram in star gases.

I learnt that science lesson for the lying inhumane scientist. Who would never have harmed their life.

Love never went anywhere you just chose not to be loving yourself by human choices.

 

[DNB]

Those who practice it are not scientists, and it is not science, and it has been comprehensively falsified by science.

As I said, it has been falsified. Read above and read the link. It's chicanery, and again the link explains that chicanery. They're no different to snake oil salesmen.

Do you think that I flippin' care whether or not astrology is a science? The analogy was not comparable, that was the only point.
Quit being so pedantic, and incessantly losing track of the topic at hand.

 

[Sheldon]

Astrology is a science

It's a science according to those who practice it,

Do you think that I flippin' care whether or not astrology is a science?

So that pretty much takes care of that....now for this...

Quit being so pedantic, and incessantly losing track of the topic at hand.

Actually never mind that, it rather speaks for itself.