No, it was vaguely similar to what your forced interpretation of Genesis suggests.
That is hardly the same thing.
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Evidences given for a young-earth
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No, it was vaguely similar to what your forced interpretation of Genesis suggests.
That is hardly the same thing.
PruePhillip
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So this water stage of earth - what is YOUR interpretation?
PruePhillip
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The best interpretation is - there were no landmarks, and it was
the same everywhere.
Saying an ancient text "has no parallel" is itself a bit dodgy.
You must always seek to figure out what the text meant.
As for this "Aristotilian view of the history of the universe"
I am not sure. The Catholic Church had no business relating
this man's views to the bible. Day 1 corresponds to SCIENCE'S
VIEW OF THE EARTH **** AT THAT STAGE ****
Challenge Day 1 if you like, but be specific.
In terms of what is known by science concerning this period of earth's history I make no interpretation concerning the scripture of any religion. I simply follow the research of science as to the nature of the earth in this period as the original earth cooled before the meteor bombardment of the earth that was followed by the continental drift history of the earth.
Aristotle's view of the nature of our physical existence predates the Roman Church and Christianity, It is the view of the firmament as described by many ancient philosophers of the, and is view described in Genesis that is older than Aristotle and goes back to the Ionians of Ancient Greece, an dolder. One difference is Aristotle proposed that the universe was eternal and without beginning nor end..
From: Firmament - Wikipedia
In biblical cosmology, the firmament is the vast solid dome created by God on the second day to divide the primal sea (called tehom) into upper and lower portions so that the dry land could appear:[1][2]
Then God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.” Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.[3]
The word "firmament" is used to translate rāqîaʿ (רָקִ֫יעַ), a word used in Biblical Hebrew. It is derived from the root raqqəʿ (רָקַע), meaning "to beat or spread out thinly", e.g., the process of making a dish by hammering thin a lump of metal.[5][6]
Like most ancient peoples, the Hebrews believed the sky was a solid dome with the Sun, Moon, planets and stars embedded in it.[7] According to The Jewish Encyclopedia:
The Hebrews regarded the earth as a plain or a hill figured like a hemisphere, swimming on water. Over this is arched the solid vault of heaven. To this vault are fastened the lights, the stars. So slight is this elevation that birds may rise to it and fly along its expanse.[8]
A detailed Christian view of the universe, based on various Biblical texts and earlier theories by Theophilus of Antioch and Clement of Alexandria, was formulated by the 6th century Egyptian monk, Cosmas Indicopleustes. He described a flat rectangular world surrounded by four seas; at the far edges of the seas, four immense vertical walls supported a vaulted roof, the firmament, above which in a further vaulted space lived angels who moved the heavenly bodies and controlled rainfall from a vast cistern.[9] Augustine wrote that too much learning had been expended on the nature of the firmament.[10] "We may understand this name as given to indicate not it is motionless but that it is solid." he wrote.[10] Saint Basil argued for a fluid firmament.[10] According to St. Thomas Aquinas, the firmament had a "solid nature" and stood above a "region of fire, wherein all vapor must be consumed.
Subduction Zone
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No, that is only your strange and rather forced interpretation of what Genesis says.
Subduction Zone
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Where?
PruePhillip
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On planet earth.
Similar things were happening on Venus and Mars too.
Sure, the bible didn't mention these - or what was happening
on each and every planet - each and every stage of the universe's
evolution - but it didn't have to. It's a theological book, telling about
ourselves and our relationship with God.
PruePhillip
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So, this "water earth" stage - can you put it into your own words
how you think it actually was?
PruePhillip
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What the Hebrews "thought" of the universe is not relevant to the bible.
And Genesis 1 isn't a Hebrew text but something else - maybe Sumerian
The Hebrews adapted the evolved text of Sumerian cuneiform>Babylonian cuneiform>Canaanite written language and added the Hebrew cosmology cultural beliefs of the time.
Subduction Zone
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No, where does the literature say this? All you have found are misinterpreted articles.
Subduction Zone
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Who cares? You can't ignore the gross misses and only point to something that you can almost force to make sense. No picking and choosing allowed.
PruePhillip
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Okay, so let's put this water earth into something scientific
I will amend the "snowball earth" texts below.
The earth was one gigantic ocean. No waves lapped on any shore. No life teemed in the
dark waters. No sun shone through the dense clouds.
Inspired from this Earth was a frozen Snowball when animals first evolved
"The ice brought Earth to a standstill. Where there were once waves lapping onto a tropical
shore and warm waters teeming with life, there was just the whistling of the wind and a cold
barren landscape, covered in ice as far as the eye could see. Even at the equator – the
warmest place on Earth – the average temperature was a frigid -20°C, equivalent to modern
day Antarctica. Most life was wiped out, and the creatures that did survive huddled in small
pockets of open water, where hot springs continued to bubble up."
PruePhillip
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Google it, I haven't the time.
It is thought that at one stage Venus was similar to earth. There's even
signs of early Subduction. Mars too could have been a cloud planet,
it certainly had oceans and volcanoes were belching massive amounts
of gas into the atmosphere.
Yeah, I know, "Why did the bible mention these too?" But hey, the bible
isn't a secular text book.
PruePhillip
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Sure, because Hebrews and Sumerians were one and the same at one point
Early Genesis names sound odd to Hebrew readers.
The bible doesn't have a cosmology. It's a book about man and God.
Subduction Zone
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So what? Are you going to try to squeeze that into the Bible narrative?
Subduction Zone
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Wrong, you made the claim, you need to support it. If you can't it is as well as refuted.
PruePhillip
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PruePhillip
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No, you didn't like the narrative of Gen 1:2 so I gave you an option.
How else would you like me to word it?
I can have a stab at doing it scientifically, in a way the Bronze Agers
couldn't understand?