Evidences Supporting the Biblical Flood

[sooda]

But first a person has to acknowledge that at the time of Noah's, people and animals were only concentrated in one area on the earth.
And not the whole earth at the time of Noah's, So the whole earth was not all flooded over with water.

The whole purpose for the flood was down out the Nephilim Giants. Seeing that the Nephilim were only concentrated in one area of the earth at the time of Noah's.

So the whole earth needed not to be covered over with water.

But it didn't destroy the Nephilim giants.. There is evidence for them in later scripture.

What is this about Noah's flood being "a second flood"?

 

[Shad]

Nope not at all, the only thing that I agreed on is what you posted back in
Post #1006 ( More like 64 million years ago)
So this I agree on, that dinosaurs being on earth back like 64 million years ago.
So this is the only thing that i did agreed on.

Now which man was here on earth at the time of the dinosaurs, Was it the Celestial man or was it the Terrestrial man ?

Wrong. You had story A which had Dinosaurs and Humans at a million years. I corrected you. You abandoned story A only to create a new story B with new data but nothing else changed from story A. Try again.

You accepted the 64 million years from Dinosaurs but you reject the same methods of dating used for humans as human were not around for 64 million years. Try again.

 

[sooda]

Wrong. You had story A which had Dinosaurs and Humans at a million years. I corrected you. You abandoned story A only to create a new story B with new data but nothing else changed from story A. Try again.

You accepted the 64 million years from Dinosaurs but you reject the same methods of dating used for humans as human were not around for 64 million years. Try again.

Most scientists today think birds are descended from dinosaurs. Have you ever seen the fossilized dinosaur nests? Lots and lots of eggs. There must have been millions of them.

 

[ecco]

From BibleHub

King James Bible​

And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; andevery thing that is in the earth shall die.

Their whole world was probably flooded.. meaning the world as they knew it..

It's not about what they knew. It's about what God knew and what God said.

all flesh - shall die
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That means the whole world, not their whole world.

 

[ecco]

Moses didn't write the Pentateuch... There were many authors and it was written 800 years after Moses

Where does the Bible say this?

 

[Faithofchristian]

Then you can readily show where it says that a million people heard Moses say:

And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. 16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.​

None. What's your point? Are you denying that dinosaurs once lived on this earth?



I only know of:

man
Dictionary result for man
/man/
noun

1. 
   
2. a human being of either sex; a person.

Are you referring to...

The Celestials are a group of fictional characters appearing in American comic bookspublished by Marvel Comics.

Immensely powerful and of huge humanoid shape, the Celestials are some of the oldest entities in the Marvel Comics universe. They debuted in the Bronze Age of Comic Books and have appeared in Marvel publications for four decades. They also try to harness the power of the infinity stones.
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...If so, are you implying that these folks were around when the dinosaurs were?

At the time of the dinosaurs the Celestial man was there with the dinosaurs.

Now as for Moses, The book of
Genesis
Exodus
Deuteronomy
Leviticus
Numbers
Are the five books of Moses.

These books were read to the people of Israel every Sabbath day.

 

[Subduction Zone]

At the time of the dinosaurs the Celestial man was there with the dinosaurs.

Now as for Moses, The book of
Genesis
Exodus
Deuteronomy
Leviticus
Numbers
Are the five books of Moses.

These books were read to the people of Israel every Sabbath day.

And now modern scholars think that Moses was fictional since the Exodus story contradicts history and has no supporting evidence for it at all.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Wrong. You had story A which had Dinosaurs and Humans at a million years. I corrected you. You abandoned story A only to create a new story B with new data but nothing else changed from story A. Try again.

You accepted the 64 million years from Dinosaurs but you reject the same methods of dating used for humans as human were not around for 64 million years. Try again.

Nope not at all did I say humans were there with the dinosaurs.

What I said is, that man was there with the dinosaurs.
Now the question is,
What man is this?
This man is not of flesh and blood as we are,
the Celestial man is not of flesh and blood as we are.

 

[ecco]

But first a person has to acknowledge that at the time of Noah's, people and animals were only concentrated in one area on the earth.

What Biblical passages lead you to believe that?

The whole purpose for the flood was down out the Nephilim Giants. Seeing that the Nephilim were only concentrated in one area of the earth at the time of Noah's.

Yet the Bible does not say God's purpose for making the flood was to kill Nephilim. It says the primary target was "man on the earth".

5And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
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Where do you read that it was to kill the Nephilim?

 

[sooda]

It's not about what they knew. It's about what God knew and what God said.

all flesh - shall die
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That means the whole world, not their whole world.

Its a teaching narrative.. a myth they borrowed from the Babylonians. The story of Gilgamesh is far older and was found in cuneiform tablets in Mesopotamia and in Bahrain. Only in Giglamesh humans annoyed the gods because there were so many of them and they were noisy.

 

[Shad]

Nope not at all did I say humans we're there with the dinosaurs.
What I said is, that man was there with the dinosaurs.
Now the question is,
What man is this?
This man is not of flesh and blood as we are,
the Celestial man is not of flesh and blood as we are.

Irrelevant as no humans existed in parallel with the dinosaurs. If they are not flesh and blood they are not humans. Words have meaning you know. Perhaps buy a dictionary.

 

[sooda]

Nope not at all did I say humans were there with the dinosaurs.

What I said is, that man was there with the dinosaurs.
Now the question is,
What man is this?
This man is not of flesh and blood as we are,
the Celestial man is not of flesh and blood as we are.

What is a "celestial man".. Dinosaurs did not exist with many.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Where does the Bible say this?

I think he was basing his claims upon the findings of modern scholars. To me, and others, there was likely a real world flood that inspired the Flood Myth. Myths are often based upon real events:

Yes, Noah's Flood May Have Happened, But Not Over the Whole Earth

At any rate the Noah story originating from the Babylon captivity seems to make sense. The Babylonians had an older flood myth already in existence.

 

[Shad]

What is a "celestial man".. Dinosaurs did not exist with many.

A redefinition of human to fit his narrative. It is obvious

 

[sooda]

I think he was basing his claims upon the findings of modern scholars. To me, and others, there was likely a real world flood that inspired the Flood Myth. Myths are often based upon real events:

Yes, Noah's Flood May Have Happened, But Not Over the Whole Earth

At any rate the Noah story originating from the Babylon captivity seems to make sense. The Babylonians had an older flood myth already in existence.

There was a real King of Sumer named Ziusudra who lived in 2900 BC. Spring rains and snowmelt from the mountains caused a flood that swept his barges south .. where he eventually ended up in the Persian Gulf. He hauled grain, beer and livestock down river.

This must have happened periodically in the Euphrates River Basin to explain the formation of the delta South of Basra.

Most think the Babylonian flood story is based on this.

 

[sooda]

A redefinition of human to fit his narrative. It is obvious

I never heard of such a thing. As far back as archaeologists go you have the Anu in Egypt and Natufians all over the Levant.

 

[Shad]

I never heard of such a thing. As far back as archaeologists go you have the Anu in Egypt and Natufians all over the Levant.

Exactly. It is a religious imposed definition which has no evidence in science

 

[Shad]

There was a real King of Sumer named Ziusudra who lived in 2900 BC. Spring rains and snowmelt from the mountains caused a flood that swept his barges south .. where he eventually ended up in the Persian Gulf. He hauled grain, beer and livestock down river.

This must have happened periodically in the Euphrates River Basin to explain the formation of the delta South of Basra.

Most think the Babylonian flood story is based on this.

Zisusudra is in one of the flood/creation myths as well. Mostly likely the one you are thinking of.

 

[sooda]

Zisusudra is in one of the flood/creation myths as well. Mostly likely the one you are thinking of.

There is a king's list from Sumer.

 

[Faithofchristian]

What Biblical passages lead you to believe that?



Yet the Bible does not say God's purpose for making the flood was to kill Nephilim. It says the primary target was "man on the earth".

5And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
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Where do you read that it was to kill the Nephilim?

Well if you had read Genesis chapter 6, it was the sons of God that came down and seduced women. These being the fallen angels of Satan's, unto which produce the Nephilim Giants. Which produce the wickedness of man.

But not the whole earth was destroyed by the flood of Noah's.

Note here in the book of Genesis 10:1-5

1--"Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.

2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.

3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.

4 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.

5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations"

So if by your standard the whole earth was destroyed by the flood of Noah's.

If this is to be true then how did the
isles of the Gentiles survive the flood of Noah's.
The isles of the Gentiles are living breathing human beings people.

So if the flood of Noah's covered destroyed all life on Earth, then how did the Gentiles survive. In Verse 5 above?