Evil in the world and God

[Starlight]

Most of evil on this planet earth is because of humans. God gave humans free will. starvation could stop tomorrow if all humans cooperated.

I believe God gave us free will because God is loving. God do not want someone to be forced to love him.

I also believe this life is also a test. Like a school for the soul. To learn lessions. This worrld is full of contradictions because to know what goodness is, the opposite must exist. to know what is hot, you have to know how cold it is. if the world was only goodness then this life would not be a test and our soul would not learn so much

Do you agree or disagree? Any thoughts?

 

[paarsurrey]

"Evil in the world and God"


"God has nothing to do with the evil in the world.", please, right?

Regards

 

[Twilight Hue]

Most of evil on this planet earth is because of humans. God gave humans free will. starvation could stop tomorrow if all humans cooperated.

I believe God gave us free will because God is loving. God do not want someone to be forced to love him.

I also believe this life is also a test. Like a school for the soul. To learn lessions. This worrld is full of contradictions because to know what goodness is, the opposite must exist. to know what is hot, you have to know how cold it is. if the world was only goodness then this life would not be a test and our soul would not learn so much

Do you agree or disagree? Any thoughts?

I think its unhealthy to view nature as being something it really isn't.

It's much better and practical to just adapt and survive in this life as best as one can, and live well as possible for the duration of one's life.

 

[paarsurrey]

"Evil in the world and God"

Most of evil on this planet earth is because of humans. God gave humans free will. starvation could stop tomorrow if all humans cooperated.

I believe God gave us free will because God is loving. God do not want someone to be forced to love him.

I also believe this life is also a test. Like a school for the soul. To learn lessions. This worrld is full of contradictions because to know what goodness is, the opposite must exist. to know what is hot, you have to know how cold it is. if the world was only goodness then this life would not be a test and our soul would not learn so much

Do you agree or disagree? Any thoughts?

Life is a test, I agree with one here, there clear verses in Quran to this affect, right?:

67:1-3
67:1
بِسۡمِ اللّٰہِ الرَّحۡمٰنِ الرَّحِیۡمِ ﴿۱﴾
English - Sher Ali
In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
67:2
تَبٰرَکَ الَّذِیۡ بِیَدِہِ الۡمُلۡکُ ۫ وَہُوَ عَلٰی کُلِّ شَیۡءٍ قَدِیۡرُ ﴿۲﴾
English - Sher Ali
Blessed is He in Whose hand is the kingdom, and He has power over all things;
67:3
ۣالَّذِیۡ خَلَقَ الۡمَوۡتَ وَالۡحَیٰوۃَ لِیَبۡلُوَکُمۡ اَیُّکُمۡ اَحۡسَنُ عَمَلًا ؕ وَہُوَ الۡعَزِیۡزُ الۡغَفُوۡرُ ۙ﴿۳﴾
English - Sher Ali
Who has created death and life that He might try you — which of you is best in deeds; and He is the Mighty, the Most Forgiving.

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Ayah al-Mulk (The Sovereignty, Control, The Kingdom) 67:1

Right?

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

"Evil in the world and God"

Life is a test, I agree with one here, there are clear verses in Quran to this affect, right?:

67:1-3
67:1
بِسۡمِ اللّٰہِ الرَّحۡمٰنِ الرَّحِیۡمِ ﴿۱﴾
English - Sher Ali
In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
67:2
تَبٰرَکَ الَّذِیۡ بِیَدِہِ الۡمُلۡکُ ۫ وَہُوَ عَلٰی کُلِّ شَیۡءٍ قَدِیۡرُ ﴿۲﴾
English - Sher Ali
Blessed is He in Whose hand is the kingdom, and He has power over all things;
67:3
ۣالَّذِیۡ خَلَقَ الۡمَوۡتَ وَالۡحَیٰوۃَ لِیَبۡلُوَکُمۡ اَیُّکُمۡ اَحۡسَنُ عَمَلًا ؕ وَہُوَ الۡعَزِیۡزُ الۡغَفُوۡرُ ۙ﴿۳﴾
English - Sher Ali
Who has created death and life that He might try you — which of you is best in deeds; and He is the Mighty, the Most Forgiving.

Holy Quran: Read, Listen and Search

In Arabic, Chinese, English, French, German, Italian, Spanish and Urdu.

www.alislam.org

Right?

Second verse of Quran that life is a test:
6:166
وَہُوَ الَّذِیۡ جَعَلَکُمۡ خَلٰٓئِفَ الۡاَرۡضِ وَرَفَعَ بَعۡضَکُمۡ فَوۡقَ بَعۡضٍ دَرَجٰتٍ لِّیَبۡلُوَکُمۡ فِیۡ مَاۤ اٰتٰکُمۡ ؕ اِنَّ رَبَّکَ سَرِیۡعُ الۡعِقَابِ ۫ۖ وَاِنَّہٗ لَغَفُوۡرٌ رَّحِیۡمٌ ﴿۱۶۶﴾٪
English - Sher Ali
And He it is Who has made you successors of others on the earth and has exalted some of you over the others in degrees of rank, that He may try you by that which He has given you. Surely, thy Lord is quick in punishment; and surely He is Most Forgiving, Merciful.

Holy Quran: Read, Listen and Search

In Arabic, Chinese, English, French, German, Italian, Spanish and Urdu.

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Does it help, please?
Right?

Regards

 

[danieldemol]

Most of evil on this planet earth is because of humans.

I disagree, in my view evil comes about because humans have to compete for resources, an All-powerful God could have made it so that we didn't have to compete for resources

God gave humans free will.

I consider it unlikely, what is free will and what is the evidence that it even exists?

starvation could stop tomorrow if all humans cooperated.

If humans had neither greed for excess of children nor excess of resources all humans would co-operate. If it is human nature to be greedy then the blame falls at the top for creating human nature that way in my view.

I believe God gave us free will because God is loving. God do not want someone to be forced to love him.

I believe giving them terrible consequences for not loving "him" is forcing them.

I also believe this life is also a test. Like a school for the soul. To learn lessions. This worrld is full of contradictions because to know what goodness is, the opposite must exist. to know what is hot, you have to know how cold it is. if the world was only goodness then this life would not be a test and our soul would not learn so much

Do you agree or disagree? Any thoughts?

What does the soul of a child that is barely old enough to have awareness of more than crapping itself learn from dying of child lukemia or sudden infant death syndrome at 1 day old learn? I believe at some point it is intellectually honest to acknowledge there are better ways of teaching someone than pointless suffering.

In my opinion

 

[John53]

What free will does a child have when they are being abused? Does God put the free will of the abuser above the free will of the child?

 

[ChristineM]

Most of evil on this planet earth is because of humans. God gave humans free will. starvation could stop tomorrow if all humans cooperated.

I believe God gave us free will because God is loving. God do not want someone to be forced to love him.

I also believe this life is also a test. Like a school for the soul. To learn lessions. This worrld is full of contradictions because to know what goodness is, the opposite must exist. to know what is hot, you have to know how cold it is. if the world was only goodness then this life would not be a test and our soul would not learn so much

Do you agree or disagree? Any thoughts?

"Evil in the world and God"


"God has nothing to do with the evil in the world.", please, right?

Regards

Isaiah 45:7

 

[John53]

Isaiah 45:7

Seems clear enough

 

[ChristineM]

Seems clear enough

Can't argue with the bible
(Unless it contradicts your own personal view)

 

[ratiocinator]

Most of evil on this planet earth is because of humans.

I'd question most. Certainly some of it is but a lot of it isn't - natural disasters, diseases (childhood cancer and the like) - if there is an omniscient, omnipotent, creator god, we can only blame it for those things.

God gave humans free will.

I've yet to see a coherent definition of 'free will' that makes the slightest bit of sense with respect to an omniscient, omnipotent, creator, who would effectively have full control over all of our nature, nurture, and experiences.

I believe God gave us free will because God is loving.

If god is loving, it has a very strange way of showing it (see above).

 

[Ella S.]

I think every theistic description of "God" makes him out to be evil. There's a reason why having a "God Complex" is a bad thing.

If such a God exists, he's the most prideful being in all of creation. The devil is only second, because at least the devil admits he isn't God yet since he's actively trying to take the throne of Heaven.

They're both grandiose sadists.

ETA: The fact that he made a world where other people have the "free will" to starve each other is a great example of that sadism. Also, just to continue living, we have to kill other living things and consume them. Yet we're also imbued with an instinctual fear of death.

 

[Starlight]

Isaiah 45:7

In an indirect way, God created evil. He allowed evil to exist because we have free will and he allowed evil to exist because our life is a test from God. The world is like a school for the soul. God has created this world with opposites because to know what goodness is, the opposite must exist. to know what is hot, you have to know how cold it is.

 

[Starlight]

Seems clear enough

In an indirect way, God created evil. He allowed evil to exist because we have free will and he allowed evil to exist because our life is a test from God. The world is like a school for the soul. God has created this world with opposites because to know what goodness is, the opposite must exist. to know what is hot, you have to know how cold it is.

 

[ChristineM]

In an indirect way, God created evil. He allowed evil to exist because we have free will and he allowed evil to exist because our life is a test from God. The world is like a school for the soul. God has created this world with opposites because to know what goodness is, the opposite must exist. to know what is hot, you have to know how cold it is.

How is isaiah 45:7 indirect. It is written as though it is god's word, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." Seems pretty direct to me.

When i read the bible I read it literally. You are free to interpret it in any way that suits you

 

[Ponder This]

Most of evil on this planet earth is because of humans. God gave humans free will. starvation could stop tomorrow if all humans cooperated.

I believe God gave us free will because God is loving. God do not want someone to be forced to love him.

I also believe this life is also a test. Like a school for the soul. To learn lessions. This worrld is full of contradictions because to know what goodness is, the opposite must exist. to know what is hot, you have to know how cold it is. if the world was only goodness then this life would not be a test and our soul would not learn so much

Do you agree or disagree? Any thoughts?

I am not a robot

 

[John53]

Can't argue with the bible
(Unless it contradicts your own personal view)

It requires some creative side stepping to get around like the invention of the free will concept.

 

[ChristineM]

It requires some creative side stepping to get around like the invention of the free will concept.

I've think some people need selective cognition and a time machine to accept their interpretation of the bible

 

[Alien826]

In an indirect way, God created evil. He allowed evil to exist because we have free will and he allowed evil to exist because our life is a test from God. The world is like a school for the soul. God has created this world with opposites because to know what goodness is, the opposite must exist. to know what is hot, you have to know how cold it is.

If you mean "test" in the sense of finding something out (like subjecting a steel bar to a bending force to see if it breaks) I would expect an omniscient god would already know enough about us not to need to do that.

If it's school, then a good school doesn't have death (or hell) as a punishment (or result) for failing a test. How can you learn if you don't survive the lesson itself?

The (theist) scenarios that accord with the world as we see it is either a very incompetent god that makes a lot of inferior creations and has to find and destroy ones that don't work out, or a very competent sadist that loves suffering so much that he creates a lot of it.

May I submit an alternative that makes perfect sense? The world works according to the laws of physics and things like tornadoes are part of that. Life evolved to survive and fill ecological niches with survival being the determining factor, with ideas like good and bad and right and wrong being a late development in higher life forms, there because they aid survival in species that live in groups.

Yes it's a bleak view of things, but if that's what the evidence suggests, then making up other stuff won't alter it.

 

[danieldemol]

to know what is hot, you have to know how cold it is.

Not really in my view, stick your hands in warm water then put your hands in hot water and you'll know what hot is.

That's the thing about the cruelty of a creator type God - the extreme suffering it is alleged to dish out does not justify teaching us what good is as I see it. A relatively mild suffering would be more than enough to teach us what good is. In an educational world we could have cool to know what warm is, in the real world we have some freeze to death whilst others burn.

Fortunately there seems to be no reliable evidence for a creator so mindless nature gets the blame in my opinion.