Evolution as it relates to Religion

[ChristineM]

Because the tailbone has a designed function just like every other part. It's not an extra accessory that doesn't do something important.

What is it's function?

 

[Wildswanderer]

Yes, but the gene to build it is still there. It is not unusual to have new human births with a tail.

ciao

- viole

The only ones I've seen are just a baby born with a fleshy growth on the back with no bone. That isn't a tail like animals have.
"Ledley conceded that there has never been a single documented case of an animal tail lacking these distinctive features, nor has there been a single case of a human caudal appendage having any of these features."

 

[Wildswanderer]

What is it's function?

It actually has several.

Besides protecting you if you fall on your butt:
Several muscles converge from the ring-like arrangement of the pelvic (hip) bones to anchor on the coccyx, forming a bowl-shaped muscular floor of the pelvis called the pelvic diaphragm. The incurved coccyx with its attached pelvic diaphragm keeps the many organs in our abdominal cavity from literally falling through between our legs. Some of the pelvic diaphragm muscles are also important in controlling the elimination of waste from our body through the rectum.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Have you ever looked for evidence the the coccyx was once a tail?

Yeah and it doesn't compute... It's just a claim with no evidence.

 

[Wildswanderer]

As for function? Of course it has a function.
All tails do something

It's not a tail though. You should be glad you have one so you can go to the potty...

 

[ChristineM]

Besides protecting you if you fall on your butt:

Have you ever fell on your coccyx, i have and i can assure you it is a lot more painful and the pain much longer lasting than a simple fall on your butt. Why? Because it is part of your spine, just as a tail is part of your spine

Several muscles converge from the ring-like arrangement of the pelvic (hip) bones to anchor on the coccyx, forming a bowl-shaped muscular floor of the pelvis called the pelvic diaphragm

Just as there are ligaments attached to your spine there are ligaments attached to your coccyx which is the tail of the spine

The incurved coccyx with its attached pelvic diaphragm keeps the many organs in our abdominal cavity from literally falling through between our legs.

See above

Some of the pelvic diaphragm muscles are also important in controlling the elimination of waste from our body through the rectum

Yes, as the equivalent vertebra of a tailed animal are also important.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Funny, but names don't necessarily mean anything. A titmouse for example, is neither a mouse nor a, well, you know

It's called a tailbone, because it is a bone that extents into tails in every single species that has a tail.

It IS a tail. An extremely short one. So short, that we say that it is not longer there.
But strictly/technically speaking, it actually is. It's that bone. That IS our tail. Or what remains of it anyway.

 

[ChristineM]

Yeah and it doesn't compute... It's just a claim with no evidence.

There is a difference between you don't want to understand and it doesn't compute.

There is bags if fossil evidence and the evidence of embryo development.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Because the tailbone has a designed function just like every other part. It's not an extra accessory that doesn't do something important.

It has an evolved function. Just like every other body part.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Have you ever looked for evidence the the coccyx was once a tail?

It's not something i have ever done because it seems obvious to me however on reading your post i did a quick Google scholar. You could do the same

I rated this as "optimistic", because we all know that @Wildswanderer has no intention of learning anything which might upset his religiously inspired beliefs.

 

[ChristineM]

I rated this as "optimistic", because we all know that @Wildswanderer has no intention of learning anything which might upset his religiously inspired beliefs.

And i rate this as a winner simply because you are spot on.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The only ones I've seen are just a baby born with a fleshy growth on the back with no bone. That isn't a tail like animals have.
"Ledley conceded that there has never been a single documented case of an animal tail lacking these distinctive features, nor has there been a single case of a human caudal appendage having any of these features."

Nobody has ever claimed that humans born with a vestigial tail would have a fully functional tail which is identical to the tail of our distant ancestors before it evolved away.

In fact, nobody even expects that to happen. To the point that if it would happen, it would be kind of hard to explain in context of evolution. As the genes for tailbuilding have been shut down, the selection pressure to conserve those sequences would have disappeared. Thus it would no longer be protected by natural selection to result in neat functional tails.

So if by accident such genes would be switched on again and a tail pops out, we expect it to be "deformed" as compared to the tails of our distant ancestors.


But why am I even bothering trying to explain this to you, right?
It's not like you are actually interested in learning about this subject.

You are content (not to say "hellbend") by doubling down on the strawmen, ignorance and religiously inspired denial.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Have you ever fell on your coccyx, i have and i can assure you it is a lot more painful and the pain much longer lasting than a simple fall on your butt. Why? Because it is part of your spine, just as a tail is part of your spine

Yes it hurts but protects you from worse injury.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Nobody has ever claimed that humans born with a vestigial tail would have a fully functional tail which is identical to the tail of our distant ancestors before it evolved away.

In fact, nobody even expects that to happen. To the point that if it would happen, it would be kind of hard to explain in context of evolution. As the genes for tailbuilding have been shut down, the selection pressure to conserve those sequences would have disappeared. Thus it would no longer be protected by natural selection to result in neat functional tails.

So if by accident such genes would be switched on again and a tail pops out, we expect it to be "deformed" as compared to the tails of our distant ancestors.


But why am I even bothering trying to explain this to you, right?
It's not like you are actually interested in learning about this subject.

You are content (not to say "hellbend") by doubling down on the strawmen, ignorance and religiously inspired denial.

Lots of the " tails" aren't even in the same region as the tailbone! To conclude they have anything to do with evolution is ridiculous.

 

[ChristineM]

Yes it hurts but protects you from worse injury.

Evidence please!

What worse injury?

There is nothing there other than the coccyx that can be seriously damaged.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Evidence please!

What worse injury?

There is nothing there other than the coccyx that can be seriously damaged.

Seriously? Just muscle and flesh and organs!

 

[ChristineM]

Seriously? Just muscle and flesh and organs!

That can be more damaged than the coccyx. If you know of any such organ, muscle or flesh please identify it/them.

 

[Audie]

It's called a tailbone, because it is a bone that extents into tails in every single species that has a tail.

It IS a tail. An extremely short one. So short, that we say that it is not longer there.
But strictly/technically speaking, it actually is. It's that bone. That IS our tail. Or what remains of it anyway.

Doesnt matter.

If a person reads the bible he automatically
knows more than any anatomist on earth

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Lots of the " tails" aren't even in the same region as the tailbone! To conclude they have anything to do with evolution is ridiculous.

More bare claims.
More dodging of what is actually said.

Here, have a torphy:

 

[Wildswanderer]

More bare claims.
More dodging of what is actually said.

Here, have a torphy:

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You are the one dodging the obvious.