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Evolution based on random mutations and natural selection

ArtieE

Well-Known Member
spotting a tiny flaw in that creation myth..
What flaw? Chemical evolution and natural selection doesn't involve reproduction. Collections of molecules just happen to meet each other and sometimes they stick together and acquire different properties together than they had when apart that makes them more stable and are naturally selected. No reproduction involved.
 
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FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Evolution and natural selection. Nobody in the past "designed and programmed" the DNA. New genes are constantly "being made" and we know how they are "made" and it's not by a designer or programmer... :) Here is a simple explanation of how new genes occur.
Understanding Genetics

I ain't asking about the new genes but how the DNA itself was designed and programmed in the origin of life.
 

ArtieE

Well-Known Member
I ain't asking about the new genes but how the DNA itself was designed and programmed in the origin of life.
It wasn't designed and programmed! A gene is a segment of DNA and our DNA evolved and grew as more and more genes came into existence because of duplication errors and mutations and horisontal gene transfer and many other mechanisms and connected with each other. Try to read Understanding Genetics again and try to understand what it says. There was no design and programming involved then just like there's no design or programming involved when new genes occur today!
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
It wasn't designed and programmed! A gene is a segment of DNA and our DNA evolved and grew as more and more genes came into existence because of duplication errors and mutations and horisontal gene transfer and many other mechanisms and connected with each other. Try to read Understanding Genetics again and try to understand what it says. There was no design and programming involved then just like there's no design or programming involved when new genes occur today!

The DNA wasn't designed and programmed to mutate, just happened to be so by nature.

 

ArtieE

Well-Known Member
The DNA wasn't designed and programmed to mutate, just happened to be so by nature.
This video is a masterful piece of misinformation especially created for ignorant gullible people who could be counted on falling for it hook, line and sinker. Amino acids and proteins didn't appear by chance or randomly, they are the result of chemical and natural selection and chemistry which is the opposite of random. Read this article The Probability of Life | Evolution FAQ and see how the makers of the video mocked your intelligence by thinking you could take it seriously. You've been had.
 
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LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
How do they work together ? what makes them working together ?

Basically, it just turns out that way.

From your last few posts I get the vibe that you simply will not accept that anything can turn out to work without being supervised. I will even venture that you thought of this thread's title as ridiculous.

The problem is that things just do not work that way in real life. You are insisting on projecting perceptions of design where there is actually evidence of its absence.

That is not having a strong stance. It is just stubborn denial that lacks in respect for your interlocutors.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
This video is a masterful piece of misinformation especially created for ignorant gullible people who could be counted on falling for it hook, line and sinker. Amino acids and proteins didn't appear by chance or randomly, they are the result of chemical and natural selection and chemistry which is the opposite of random. Read this article The Probability of Life | Evolution FAQ and see how the makers of the video mocked your intelligence by thinking you could take it seriously. You've been had.

And how chemical reactions create life.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
And how chemistry and chemical selection evolves collections of interacting molecules so big and complex that in the end they take on the properties we require to call them alive.


I didn't understand, do you answer the question by asking a question ?
 

ArtieE

Well-Known Member
I didn't understand, do you answer the question by asking a question ?
The statement "And how chemical reactions create life." isn't a question. "How does chemical reactions create life?" Is a question.

"chemistry and chemical selection evolves collections of interacting molecules so big and complex that in the end they take on the properties we require to call them alive." is the answer. The "and how" is just me copying the start of your statement.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
The statement "And how chemical reactions create life." isn't a question. "How does chemical reactions create life?" Is a question.

"chemistry and chemical selection evolves collections of interacting molecules so big and complex that in the end they take on the properties we require to call them alive." is the answer. The "and how" is just me copying the start of your statement.

So what is life, and can you create life by chemical reactions and if not then why ?
 

ArtieE

Well-Known Member
So what is life
I just explained that to you in post 417 and that post explained it so simply that if you didn't understand it then I don't have any simpler way of explaining it to you. I'll repeat it one last time: Collections of molecules who have

Cellular organization
Homeostasis
Metabolism
Responsiveness
Reproduction
Heredity
Growth

are called alive. Collections of molecules who don't have all of these properties listed above are called not alive. Life is when a collection of molecules have

Cellular organization
Homeostasis
Metabolism
Responsiveness
Reproduction
Heredity
Growth

If you find something, a cell or collection of cells that can do all these things mentioned above you have found life. OK?
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
I just explained that to you in post 417 and that post explained it so simply that if you didn't understand it then I don't have any simpler way of explaining it to you. I'll repeat it one last time: Collections of molecules who have

Cellular organization
Homeostasis
Metabolism
Responsiveness
Reproduction
Heredity
Growth

are called alive. Collections of molecules who don't have all of these properties listed above are called not alive. Life is when a collection of molecules have

Cellular organization
Homeostasis
Metabolism
Responsiveness
Reproduction
Heredity
Growth

If you find something, a cell or collection of cells that can do all these things mentioned above you have found life. OK?

Can we create life by chemical reactions ? if not then why ?
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
And how chemical reactions create life.
It is not like there is any doubt that chemical reactions create life.

You might as well ask whether living beings are born.
Can we create life by chemical reactions ? if not then why ?
That is a very good question. There are those who believe that we can not.

Many others, myself included, think instead that we can indeed, and therefore we just never learned a proper way to do it.

I expect it to happen in a few decades.
 
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