Evolution based on random mutations and natural selection

[FearGod]

This is a trifle annoying. From that post, you have clearly neither read the article, nor what I have written about it. If you had, you would realize that statement is false.

The machines work in the way it designed for, nothing interesting to me.
Sorry if you found it amazing, an ant is driving me crazy more than the most complicated machine in this world, imagine such tiny creatures can speak.
Getting it off their chest: Study reveals how ants talk to each other | Daily Mail Online

 

[philbo]

The machines work in the way it designed for, nothing interesting to me.

So you still can't be bothered to read.

Why should anyone bother with anything you post, then?

 

[FearGod]

So you still can't be bothered to read.

Why should anyone bother with anything you post, then?

You said your point is ((No my point was about evolution of a solution leads to complexity and factors that no designer would even be able to contemplate becoming part of the solutoin))

May i ask you what he was expecting from his experiment and what is your point of it?

 

[ArtieE]

Atheists used to call the prophet as a crazy man

What is your opinion of this man in the video who based on the Qu'ran states that the world is flat and the sun moves?

 

[ArtieE]

May i ask you what he was expecting from his experiment and what is your point of it?

That the brain evolved and got so complex that the interaction between the parts created something more than just the sum of its parts. A single neuron can't see, but all the parts of the brain working together can.

 

[FearGod]

What is your opinion of this man in the video who based on the Qu'ran states that the world is flat and the sun moves?

That is a fabricated drama.

 

[philbo]

You said your point is ((No my point was about evolution of a solution leads to complexity and factors that no designer would even be able to contemplate becoming part of the solutoin))

May i ask you what he was expecting from his experiment and what is your point of it?

He was seeing whether it would be possible to use a simple evolutionary approach to creating a circuit, rather than a designed one, and whether it would be more efficient. You'd see this if you'd read the article.

As for "what is my point of it", I see you copied & pasted what I wrote (including the typo) without actually reading it. Why do you bother?

 

[FearGod]

That the brain evolved and got so complex that the interaction between the parts created something more than just the sum of its parts. A single neuron can't see, but all the parts of the brain working together can.

How do they work together ? what makes them working together ?

 

[ArtieE]

That is a fabricated drama.

I see! Can you show me the evidence for that and give me more information about the men behind?

 

[ArtieE]

How do they work together ? what makes them working together ?

Brain chemistry. "The brain communicates with itself by sending out chemical information from one neuron, or nerve cell to another. Brain chemistry is the sum of all the chemical messaging that takes place in the brain, which allows it to carry out its daily functions, such as generating movement, speaking, thinking, listening, regulating the systems of the body, and countless others." Brain Chemistry (Neurochemistry) - body, causes, Out of Balance

 

[FearGod]

Brain chemistry. "The brain communicates with itself by sending out chemical information from one neuron, or nerve cell to another. Brain chemistry is the sum of all the chemical messaging that takes place in the brain, which allows it to carry out its daily functions, such as generating movement, speaking, thinking, listening, regulating the systems of the body, and countless others." Brain Chemistry (Neurochemistry) - body, causes, Out of Balance

And if i want to move then how my brain understand that i want to move and walk, does my brain make such an order for movement and why not making it at any time, who makes such order, me or the brain.

 

[ArtieE]

Take for example the designed computerized chess game, if the outcome isn't designed by a smart player as to make random expected movements ahead and what expected movements of the player, then the game will be rubbish and stupid but due to a good plan and design by a smart team of players and programmers then the computer as a player will be as smart as Garry Kasparov.

"Meanwhile, research is pushing forward in a branch of machine learning called genetic programming (GP), in which software evolves in a Darwinian fashion. Multiple versions of a program -- often thousands of them generated at random -- set to work on a problem. Most of them do poorly, but evolutionary processes pick two of the best and combine them to produce a better generation of programs. The process continues for hundreds of generations with no human intervention, and the results improve each time.

GP pioneer John Koza, a consulting professor in electrical engineering at Stanford, has used the method to design circuits, controllers, optical systems and antennas that perform as well as or better than those with patented designs. He recently was awarded a patent for a controller design created entirely by GP"
Self-Taught: Software That Learns By Doing | Computerworld

 

[ArtieE]

And if i want to move then how my brain understand that i want to move and walk, does my brain make such an order for movement and why not making it at any time, who makes such order, me or the brain.

You are your brain. The sum of the parts of the brain interacting creates more than the sum of the actual parts acting alone. They create "you". If some parts of your brain gets damaged through injury or disease you might change personality completely and your family might even say straight out that you aren't "you" anymore but has changed into a totally different person.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

"Meanwhile, research is pushing forward in a branch of machine learning called genetic programming (GP), in which software evolves in a Darwinian fashion. Multiple versions of a program -- often thousands of them generated at random -- set to work on a problem. Most of them do poorly, but evolutionary processes pick two of the best and combine them to produce a better generation of programs. The process continues for hundreds of generations with no human intervention, and the results improve each time.

GP pioneer John Koza, a consulting professor in electrical engineering at Stanford, has used the method to design circuits, controllers, optical systems and antennas that perform as well as or better than those with patented designs. He recently was awarded a patent for a controller design created entirely by GP"
Self-Taught: Software That Learns By Doing | Computerworld

So the process requires an intelligent programmer , who also selects for the specific pre-determined result that he wants to achieve..

 

[FearGod]

I see! Can you show me the evidence for that and give me more information about the men behind?

My thread is about random mutations or a designer behind creation, it isn't about Islam, if you wish to discuss Islam then it's easy to open a thread for that.

 

[FearGod]

So the process requires an intelligent programmer , who also selects for the specific pre-determined result that he wants to achieve..

I wonder how they can't understand such simple requirement.

 

[FearGod]

You are your brain. The sum of the parts of the brain interacting creates more than the sum of the actual parts acting alone. They create "you". If some parts of your brain gets damaged through injury or disease you might change personality completely and your family might even say straight out that you aren't "you" anymore but has changed into a totally different person.

The person may lose control over his body due to brain damage, yes the brain work in harmony because that is how it was designed to work, the gastrointestinal system works in harmony because that is how it was designed to work ..etc, all parts of our bodies including our brains are working in harmony because that is how it was designed to work, randomness without prior design will lead to failure.

 

[Kirran]

Well, FearGod whos religion is Islam says that "You'll be the same person but with different brain, like driving Fiat then moving to Toyota." Of course driving Fiat then moving to a new Toyota if the Fiat breaks down would be reincarnation. But Kirran who is Hindu says "All evidence indicates it wouldn't be the same person." Just a bit confusing.

All things are one. All things are Brahman. How arbitrary to say this fleeting collection of maya is somehow immortal, beyond its having the immortality of the Universal Soul.

 

[Kirran]

I asked what your evidences and real cases that the person with a transplanted heart becomes a different person.

I didn't say that a person with a heart transplant would be a different person.

I am talking about the brain.

Not complex, it's logic circuits and connections which can't be done without plan and design by human's minds whereas our brains were evolved by the inanimate nature without any prior plans or design.

There are, nevertheless, some very simple lifeforms which are simpler than our more complex computers. We have computers smarter than a fly's brain now.

And why not all children created with bone marrow cancer and why disasters don't occur every day
and why there aren't drought every where.

Fair enough. But surely God could have stopped any children at all having bone marrow cancer? Or, rather, God could have not specifically created humans in such a way that they'd get bone marrow cancer.

 

[ArtieE]

So the process requires an intelligent programmer , who also selects for the specific pre-determined result that he wants to achieve..

LOL. You still don't get it do you... as an example if he wanted a better antenna he would just tell the computer to pick a million random shapes and use the principles of evolution and natural selection and let the computer evolve the best antenna shape by itself. He wouldn't know until the computer was finished exactly what it would look like.

Of course in nature the same principle applies. You have loads of organisms and different environmental factors and evolution and natural selection evolves the organism best adapted to the environment. Just like the computer program evolves the best antenna shape.