Evolution based on random mutations and natural selection

[Monk Of Reason]

God of the universe.

That is a blank statement. Who is the god of the universe?

 

[FearGod]

That is a blank statement. Who is the god of the universe?

The one who caused all things to exist.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

The one who caused all things to exist.

Yeah who was it?

 

[FearGod]

... is fiction, quite at odds with how things are actually observed to happen.

Unless, I suppose, you are proposing some sort of blind intelligent design.

Do you think the suspension feeders came to existence by chance and naturally selected while its main job is to purify and filtering the sea water to enable other organisms to live in the sea water?

 

[FearGod]

Yeah who was it?

Do you want to see God face to face ?

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Do you want to see God face to face ?

I don't believe in god so this doesn't really make sense to me. But the conundrum presented to you is that you have a claim of some almighty god without going into specifics about which god it is. I know that you mean Allah as that is the god you follow but you have attempted to present Allah to me as some kind of unavoidable or obvious god that exists. You have tiptoed around stating it is the god of Islam and simply called him the God the created everything. But how do you know the god created anything or even exists? Asking us why we don't believe in something that hasn't met sufficient evidence is not a well established question.

But you may continue with your point about meeting god face to face as this seems like it might be going somewhere. Where I do not know but it seems to be going.

 

[FearGod]

I don't believe in god so this doesn't really make sense to me. But the conundrum presented to you is that you have a claim of some almighty god without going into specifics about which god it is. I know that you mean Allah as that is the god you follow but you have attempted to present Allah to me as some kind of unavoidable or obvious god that exists. You have tiptoed around stating it is the god of Islam and simply called him the God the created everything. But how do you know the god created anything or even exists? Asking us why we don't believe in something that hasn't met sufficient evidence is not a well established question.

But you may continue with your point about meeting god face to face as this seems like it might be going somewhere. Where I do not know but it seems to be going.

I don't care what is God's name but i believe that God does exist and nothing is equivalent to him, the inanimate nature doesn't realize what is life and we won't realize what is God's nature as well.

 

[philbo]

Do you think the suspension feeders came to existence by chance and naturally selected while its main job is to purify and filtering the sea water to enable other organisms to live in the sea water?

I don't think anyone has ever told any of the plankton eaters they had a job.

Good luck trying to get them to realize that

 

[Monk Of Reason]

I don't care what is God's name but i believe that God does exist and nothing is equivalent to him, the inanimate nature doesn't realize what is life and we won't realize what is God's nature as well.

And what is the basis for this belief?

 

[FearGod]

And what is the basis for this belief?

The basis is to believe.

 

[leibowde84]

Thank you, but that doesn't answer the question which is what forced marine organisms to find and adapt to a new environment.

Nothing forced them to. The dry land was extremely under-populated by anything other than plants at that time. Thus, it was in any animals best interest to get out of the water in order to find more food. Under the water, there was already a plethora of different organisms fighting for food. On land there was much less competition. Thus, it would make sense that, once an animal had developed fins that could be used also as legs, it would strive to get out of the water.

 

[leibowde84]

The basis is to believe.

He asked you what your basis of (or reasoning behind) this belief. Why do you think it is true?

 

[Valjean]

I'm against the idea that it wasn't planned or designed.

I'm against all sorts of uncomfortable ideas, but facts are facts. I accept the conclusion supported by the preponderance of evidence.

Science says things happen through knowable laws of physics, chemistry, maths and so on, ie: by mechanism. We see this happening every day.
Creationism holds that an invisible personage periodically reaches out and alters these laws to produce an extraordinary result, ie: magic. This we don't see.
Creationists hold that magic is a more reasonable 'explanation' for phenomena we don't yet understand than the laws of Nature we observe in action every day.

Thank you, but that doesn't answer the question which is what forced marine organisms to find and adapt to a new environment.

What causes any species to spread? Opportunity, underutilised niches: Lots of room. Lots of food. No competition. No enemies.

 

[Unification]

That is a blank statement. Who is the god of the universe?

The universe is God. Nature is God. Eternal Spirit is God, sum total of all is God. God is just a metaphor for "that which is." Can only be found within one. Cosmic energy from the cosmos. Photon to photon. Big brain (God/universe) to little human brain (mini-duplicate universes). The brain is the dwelling place of "God."

 

[leibowde84]

Myths about Evolution that Deniers Fraudulently Claim.

Myth 1: It's just a theory

The truth:The word "theory" has a different meaning inside the scientific community than it does elsewhere.

In everyday language, you and I would use "theory" to describe a whim feeling: a theory that eating the crust on your sandwiches makes you taller, or, say, that Marty Hart's daughter onTrue Detectivewas actually involved with the Tuttle clan the whole time (pshh).

Either would totally work in this case. In the general sense, an idea doesn't necessarily need to make sense, or even be true, to be considered a theory.

A scientific theory, on the other hand, refers to a comprehensive explanation for a variety of phenomena.

It begins as a hypothesis. Then, if enough evidence exists to support it, through repeated and thorough testing, itmoves to the next stepin the scientific method — a theory — where it is accepted as a credible explanation.

One example is atomic theory, which shows how matter is composed of atoms.

Evolution, similarly, is accepted by the vast majority of scientists and backed up by research in fields such as embryology,molecular biologyand paleontology.

(For example, it'smorethan a feeling.)

Myth 2: Humans are not currently evolving
The truth:We are still evolving biologically.

One example: Long ago — 2,000 years ago, to be exact — most humans couldn't consume milk past the age of five. The majority of everyone's production of lactase, the enzyme that allows mammals to digest the lactose found in milk and other dairy products, rapidly slowed at that age.

Then, sometime around 10,000 B.C. near modern-day Turkey, a genetic mutation in one humanchanged the lactase production. The gene passed. Over the next few thousand years, it continued to spread, and soon most people in the Eurasia region could spend their entire lives drinking milk.

Myth 3: Individual organisms can evolve in a single life span
The truth:Evolutionary change refers to transformations in the genetic makeup of populations over generations, not lifetimes.

So entire populations, not individual organisms, evolve. And it takes a while.

New gene variants are produced by random mutation. Over the course of time — many, many generations —natural selectionfavors the most advantageous ones.

This causes them to become more common in the population (again, over time).

Myth 4: Evolution isn't science because it's not observable or testable
The truth:Not all science investigations involve direct experiments.

Evolutioncanstill be studied with controlled experiments in, say, a laboratory setting. Using organisms with short life spans, such as bacteria or flies, scientists can actuallyobserve evolutionover the course of an experiment.

One example you're probably familiar with: antibiotic resistance.

Antibiotic resistance evolves via natural selection of random mutation. After exposure to one or more antibiotics, some subpopulations of microorganisms are able to survive, spawning the nickname "superbugs."

It's the reason doctors are constantly having to develop new antibiotics — and a direct consequence of evolution via natural selection.

With that in mind, says Marcus Kronforst, Ph.D., assistant professor of ecology and evolution at the University of Chicago, it's important to always take the full course of antibiotics you're prescribed. Stopping antibiotics early kills some, but not all, the bacteria, which generates natural selection for superbugs.

You should also stray from taking antibiotics for the cold or flu, says Kronforst. The cold are flu are both viral infections, and unnecessary use of antibiotics is the root cause for all types of resistance.

5 Common Evolution Myths, Debunked

 

[FearGod]

I'm against all sorts of uncomfortable ideas, but facts are facts. I accept the conclusion supported by the preponderance of evidence.

Science says things happen through knowable laws of physics, chemistry, maths and so on, ie: by mechanism. We see this happening every day.
Creationism holds that an invisible personage periodically reaches out and alters these laws to produce an extraordinary result, ie: magic. This we don't see.
Creationists hold that magic is a more reasonable 'explanation' for phenomena we don't yet understand than the laws of Nature we observe in action every day.

No, god doesn't do magic.
He made us males and females, created the sex organs and libido for the purpose of reproduction, so i can't see where is the magic other than to think that it happened to be so without any intelligent design.

What causes any species to spread? Opportunity, underutilised niches: Lots of room. Lots of food. No competition. No enemies.

It isn't rational reasons since evolution doesn't happen in one day night.

 

[leibowde84]

No, god doesn't do magic.
He made us males and females, created the sex organs and libido for the purpose of reproduction, so i can't see where is the magic other than to think that it happened to be so without any intelligent design.



It isn't rational reasons since evolution doesn't happen in one day night.

What is the meaning of your second claim? Why would this disprove what he said above?

 

[Monk Of Reason]

The basis is to believe.

That is circular. I asked why you believe. Not that you believe.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

The universe is God. Nature is God. Eternal Spirit is God, sum total of all is God. God is just a metaphor for "that which is." Can only be found within one. Cosmic energy from the cosmos. Photon to photon. Big brain (God/universe) to little human brain (mini-duplicate universes). The brain is the dwelling place of "God."

I think I can agree with you when you say that the human brain is the dwelling place of god. I don't know if I could agree with everything else without having to sacrifice a lot of what would define "god".

 

[Mycroft]

In the beginning, everything evolved every which way completely at random. That is why there's so many weird-looking creatures with useless-looking features about their persons.

Natural selection takes over from random mutation when something that has evolved is either appropriate, or inappropriate to its environment. If it's appropriate to its environment, it will survive. If not, it will become extinct. A worm is able to survive well underground in a non-seeing environment, but aboveground, where eyes are necessary (a seeing environment) it quickly becomes inappropriate to that environment and, thus, unable to survive.