Evolution based on random mutations and natural selection

[FearGod]

That is circular. I asked why you believe. Not that you believe.

I believe because that is what looks logic to me.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

I believe because that is what looks logic to me.

what appears logical you mean? Walk me through it.

 

[FearGod]

what appears logical you mean? Walk me through it.

That will be drilling from the main subject of this thread, evolution as designed or by chance and natural selection, but what is your belief and why you believe can be discussed in other threads.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

That will be drilling from the main subject of this thread, evolution as designed or by chance and natural selection, but what is your belief and why you believe can be discussed in other threads.

Evolution is overwhelmingly evidenced towards natural selection and random mutation. However there is an argument made (poorly imho) that those random chances are not random but just appear random.

 

[Valjean]

No, god doesn't do magic.
He made us males and females, created the sex organs and libido for the purpose of reproduction, so i can't see where is the magic other than to think that it happened to be so without any intelligent design.

So what does God do? If He just sits back and lets everything happen through natural law then He does nothing. Everything happens without design or purpose. If He does manipulate things, then he's altering natural law and performing magic.

It isn't rational reasons since evolution doesn't happen in one day night.

Huh?

 

[FearGod]

So what does God do? If He just sits back and lets everything happen through natural law then He does nothing. Everything happens without design or purpose. If He does manipulate thing, then he's altering natural law and performing magic.

Huh?

Except souls or what kind of person you're, a criminal, kind, arrogant....etc

 

[Valjean]

That will be drilling from the main subject of this thread, evolution as designed or by chance and natural selection, but what is your belief and why you believe can be discussed in other threads.

Nonsense. If you could walk us through the algebra it might clear up this whole discussion.

 

[Valjean]

Except souls or what kind of person you're, a criminal, kind, arrogant....etc

Sorry, I'm not following this at all.

 

[LuisDantas]

Do you think the suspension feeders came to existence by chance and naturally selected while its main job is to purify and filtering the sea water to enable other organisms to live in the sea water?

Yes, I do. I don't see what the problem in accepting that is, as a matter of fact.

 

[atpollard]

How the fish survived on land for millions of years before having legs ? fishes don't need legs in water but only fins, why the fish need to leave the water to live on land, was it due to curiosity or searching for foods ? what forced the fish to leaves its environment to entirely a different one ? humans lived close to the sea for millions of years will they eventually evolve into fishes (reverse evolution if i may say), i think human won't evolve into fishes regardless of the time they can live in the sea because it isn't their environment and they'll die before being evolved to a fish (like creature).

Where is a good banging your head emoticon when you need one?

I lean towards intelligent design and creationism ...
I have a MUCH stronger background in Chemistry and Physics than Biology ...

... but even I have heard of both 'lungfish' and 'amphibians' ... so I don't know how to respond to this question other than to sigh and desire a 'bang your head' emoticon.



As a fan of intelligent design ...
Can anyone here explain to me how macro-evolution works?
How do creatures evolve from bacteria to plant to animal?
Is there any observable mechanism for large evolutionary jumps or is it all the result of millions of cumulative tiny changes?

I struggle to reconcile the obvious micro-evolution changes that are easily observed through local adaptations with the bigger issues of First Cause (which is beyond a biological discussion) and Irreducible Complexity (which is a biology discussion).
Unfortunately, the most common response to honest questions involves use of the words like 'stupid', 'idiot' or 'Do you believe the Earth is flat?' ... which tends to place a damper on conversation.

 

[Unification]

Nonsense. If you could walk us through the algebra it might clear up this whole discussion.

Your BREATH, SUN, and MOON.

In the beginning God created the heaven and earth (the universe and the earth.)

For the human, the heaven is the brain and the earth is the physical body.

God BREATHED the breath of life into man and he became "a living soul."

86,400 SECONDS A DAY

There are 86,400 seconds in a day.

The average breath takes 4 seconds. Inhale and exhale takes 4 seconds.

That means you breathe 15 times in one minute.

YOU BREATHE 900 TIMES AN HOUR

There are 24 hours in a day. 24X900= 21,600. You breathe 21,600 times a day. (Average).

You can arrive at the same average by dividing the 4 seconds it takes to breathe into the number of seconds in a day 86,400 and you get 21,600 breaths a day.

21,600 BREATHS

The NASA Space Flight Center tells us that we can only see 10% of the universe.

90% OF THE UNIVERSE IS HIDDEN

The universe is the same as the human brain where we use 10% intellectual with 90% the right side or spiritual etc.

Moon is the Western Hemisphere of brain

Sun is the Eastern Hemisphere of brain.

Joshua made the Sun and the Moon stand still in scripture (separation from mind/thought)

(Left brain/Western Hemisphere is intellectual side. Right brain/eastern hemisphere is the spiritual side(where the light/photons come from.)

EACH BREATH TAKES 4 SECONDS

We breathe 21,600 times a day and each breath takes 4 seconds for a total of 86,400 seconds.

And we only see 10% of the universe.

SOME BIG COINCIDENCE ?

I DON'T THINK SO.

Now let's look at it.


A DAY

A day consumes 86,400 seconds.

DIAMETER OF THE SUN

The diameter of the sun is 864,000 miles.

SECONDS IN A DAY AND THE DIAMETER OF THE SUN

Thus the number of seconds in a day is 10% of the diameter of the sun.

BREATHE 21,600

The number of times we breathe in a day averages 21,600.

DIAMETER OF THE MOON

The diameter of the moon is 2,160 miles or 10% of the amount of breaths we take in a day.

Is this all just some big coincidence.

I don't think so, do you?

IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYTHING IS CONNECTED

IN A VERY STRANGE WAY.

God-universe-big brain-photon.

Human-mini universe brain-photon.

When we look up into the sky, we pretty much see our brains.

The universe is expanding as our intelligence is expanding.

This is what one would call "manna from heaven" -photon/light/Knowledge of God.

 

[Unification]

Your BREATH, SUN, and MOON.

In the beginning God created the heaven and earth (the universe and the earth.)

For the human, the heaven is the brain and the earth is the physical body.

God BREATHED the breath of life into man and he became "a living soul."

86,400 SECONDS A DAY

There are 86,400 seconds in a day.

The average breath takes 4 seconds. Inhale and exhale takes 4 seconds.

That means you breathe 15 times in one minute.

YOU BREATHE 900 TIMES AN HOUR

There are 24 hours in a day. 24X900= 21,600. You breathe 21,600 times a day. (Average).

You can arrive at the same average by dividing the 4 seconds it takes to breathe into the number of seconds in a day 86,400 and you get 21,600 breaths a day.

21,600 BREATHS

The NASA Space Flight Center tells us that we can only see 10% of the universe.

90% OF THE UNIVERSE IS HIDDEN

The universe is the same as the human brain where we use 10% intellectual with 90% the right side or spiritual etc.

Moon is the Western Hemisphere of brain

Sun is the Eastern Hemisphere of brain.

Joshua made the Sun and the Moon stand still in scripture (separation from mind/thought)

(Left brain/Western Hemisphere is intellectual side. Right brain/eastern hemisphere is the spiritual side(where the light/photons come from.)

EACH BREATH TAKES 4 SECONDS

We breathe 21,600 times a day and each breath takes 4 seconds for a total of 86,400 seconds.

And we only see 10% of the universe.

SOME BIG COINCIDENCE ?

I DON'T THINK SO.

Now let's look at it.


A DAY

A day consumes 86,400 seconds.

DIAMETER OF THE SUN

The diameter of the sun is 864,000 miles.

SECONDS IN A DAY AND THE DIAMETER OF THE SUN

Thus the number of seconds in a day is 10% of the diameter of the sun.

BREATHE 21,600

The number of times we breathe in a day averages 21,600.

DIAMETER OF THE MOON

The diameter of the moon is 2,160 miles or 10% of the amount of breaths we take in a day.

Is this all just some big coincidence.

I don't think so, do you?

IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYTHING IS CONNECTED

IN A VERY STRANGE WAY.

God-universe-big brain-photon.

Human-mini universe brain-photon.

When we look up into the sky, we pretty much see our brains.

The universe is expanding as our intelligence is expanding.

This is what one would call "manna from heaven" -photon/light/Knowledge of God.

Not to mention the 186,400(light) camped from the tribe of Judah on the East side toward the rising of the "sun." The cranial nerve of the brain where the cosmic energy (photons-knowledge/wisdom of God) from the cosmos (God-photon-spirit) comes from with healing and higher consciousness and awareness. Coincidentally, this is the tribe where the Christ comes from. The light. The word of God. God manifesting bodily, into ones flesh.

 

[leibowde84]

Where is a good banging your head emoticon when you need one?

I lean towards intelligent design and creationism ...
I have a MUCH stronger background in Chemistry and Physics than Biology ...

... but even I have heard of both 'lungfish' and 'amphibians' ... so I don't know how to respond to this question other than to sigh and desire a 'bang your head' emoticon.



As a fan of intelligent design ...
Can anyone here explain to me how macro-evolution works?
How do creatures evolve from bacteria to plant to animal?
Is there any observable mechanism for large evolutionary jumps or is it all the result of millions of cumulative tiny changes?

I struggle to reconcile the obvious micro-evolution changes that are easily observed through local adaptations with the bigger issues of First Cause (which is beyond a biological discussion) and Irreducible Complexity (which is a biology discussion).
Unfortunately, the most common response to honest questions involves use of the words like 'stupid', 'idiot' or 'Do you believe the Earth is flat?' ... which tends to place a damper on conversation.

Billions of cumulative tiny changes over billions of years.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Not to mention the 186,000 (light) camped from the tribe of Judah on the East side toward the rising of the "sun." The cranial nerve of the brain where the cosmic energy (photons-knowledge/wisdom of God) from the cosmos (God-photon-spirit) comes from with healing and higher consciousness and awareness. Coincidentally, this is the tribe where the Christ comes from. The light. The word of God. God manifesting bodily, into ones flesh.

Photon-knowledge? Wat?

 

[Unification]

Photon-knowledge? Wat?

An elementary particle of light, intelligence in motion, from source to source.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

An elementary particle of light, intelligence in motion, from source to source.

And this is god to you?

 

[dust1n]

As a fan of intelligent design ...
Can anyone here explain to me how macro-evolution works?
How do creatures evolve from bacteria to plant to animal?

You understand micro-evolution? Well there is no boundary to what set of mutations can occur over the course of one hundred thousand generations with several million individuals, many which will be isolated from another. EDIT: Well, there are boundaries, but not the sort the create "kinds."

Animals didn't evolve from plants. The predecessors of plants and animals split off long, long ago.

Is there any observable mechanism for large evolutionary jumps or is it all the result of millions of cumulative tiny changes?

It's all the result of trillions upon trillions alteration to a genetic sequence.

 

[atpollard]

Billions of cumulative tiny changes over billions of years.

Then is there a complete record of these significant changes preserved?

When I read Darwin's original work, I remember that his own criticism of his theory was that there should be evidence of lots of intermediate stages that did not exist.
I know that they have found LOTS of fossils since Darwin's day, so the record is much better.
Is the record of the transition from one (say 'class') to another documented in sufficient intermediate stages to be verified as fact rather than just a likely theory?
Or is that an unrealistic expectation? (like the demand for Mark's original transcript of the Gospel)

The problem with billions of years is that I don't know if it is reasonable to expect millions of intermediate stages to be found as a fossil record.

 

[leibowde84]

Then is there a complete record of these significant changes preserved?

When I read Darwin's original work, I remember that his own criticism of his theory was that there should be evidence of lots of intermediate stages that did not exist.
I know that they have found LOTS of fossils since Darwin's day, so the record is much better.
Is the record of the transition from one (say 'class') to another documented in sufficient intermediate stages to be verified as fact rather than just a likely theory?
Or is that an unrealistic expectation? (like the demand for Mark's original transcript of the Gospel)

The problem with billions of years is that I don't know if it is reasonable to expect millions of intermediate stages to be found as a fossil record.

Some people will disagree with me, but there is the possibility that evolution might be off base. But that possibility is so infinitesimal that it should be rightly ignored.

As for a perfect record, it seems unreasonable to expect one. But we are getting closer and closer every day.

 

[atpollard]

You understand micro-evolution? Well there is no boundary to what set of mutations can occur over the course of one hundred thousand generations with several million individuals, many which will be isolated from another. EDIT: Well, there are boundaries, but not the sort the create "kinds."
Animals didn't evolve from plants. The predecessors of plants and animals split off long, long ago.

It's all the result of trillions upon trillions alteration to a genetic sequence.

One of my many hats at work is flagging wetlands and identifying 'protected species'.
So I use morphological indicators to identify the extent of inundation and saturation (plant adaptations for anaerobic conditions).
It is not a huge leap to imagine that plants that survive at the fringe and spread uphill and down hill from the shore might adapt over time until they diverge as two related but distinct species.
So I get micro-evolution.

Where I struggle is the bigger change like from cold-blooded to warm-blooded.
At one point, there were no warn-blooded animals.
At some point there were both cold and warm blooded animals.
How does that happen slowly?
Where are all of the 'tepid-blooded' fossils?

I do not claim that these transitions do not exist ... I simply claim ignorance on the topic.
Now if you want to talk Newtonian Physics, then I am your man.