Evolution & Creation: What if God made Evolution?

[LuisDantas]

Millions of species could NOT appears with "evolution" as starter of life, VERY certainty there was smart starter/planner.

Wrong.

 

[LuisDantas]

No, your replies actually make no sense.

Except that they do and are correct.

 

[randomvim]

You ask for something that's happening now, but that 'doesn't count' because it's not humans?

Humans are significantly taller than they used to be. That's a 'tiny change'.

Also humans have a greater ability to adapt their environment to their needs than other species and have low reproductive rates meaning large evolution adaptations are less likely to occur than in wasps for example.

You seem to have a cartoon view of evolution with mammals turning into new species in front of your very eyes. Not only that, but you should be able to predict 'what will be next'....

wait. does this mean our technology is or can reduce or limit our ability to adapt and or evolve!?!!??!! nnnnoooooo

 

[randomvim]

I would call it beyond sadistic to have purposefully created the process of evolution as we've observed it.
For a religious person to claim their god did such a thing is of no benefit to that gods character.

I think you are just having anger issues. should really get a hold on it.

there's nothing wrong or bad with an ability for something living to adapt to its environment and maybe change so much to create something new or different.

personally find it wonderful. but how we view the world is based on perspective.

 

[Deathbydefault]

I think you are just having anger issues. should really get a hold on it.

there's nothing wrong or bad with an ability for something living to adapt to its environment and maybe change so much to create something new or different.

personally find it wonderful. but how we view the world is based on perspective.

Right, and from my POV, things getting mauled to death and eaten by other things to further their survival would be a sadistic thing to create.
How many species are dead now due to evolution? How many diseases were created? How many bodily defects?

I feel I should accuse you of wearing rose colored glasses.

 

[Gyrannon]

What does God have going for it that magic pixies don't? Why the "ummm no...." for one but not the other?

Magic pixies sounds like something out of children's superstitions, thats why the "ummm no". Be like a debate about Telsa vs Einstein, then someone brings Barney the purple dinosaur.

Also God or Highly Advanced Aliens just sounds more plausible for the Creation side, though I bet many of them wouldn't go with Aliens as they'll probably say "No! There must be a God, nothing else!"

 

[LuisDantas]

The whole so-called controversy is an overblown artifact of propaganda. So-called "creationism" is just glorified denial of science.

People can of course presume a creator God behind anything in existence, and many do.

 

[randomvim]

Right, and from my POV, things getting mauled to death and eaten by other things to further their survival would be a sadistic thing to create.
How many species are dead now due to evolution? How many diseases were created? How many bodily defects?

I feel I should accuse you of wearing rose colored glasses.

I don't know...

this thing suggested as evolution that you claim to be so sadistic. you are a part of it too. you would only be here because of it. I would think if someone were to look at things as such, that they would question their own involvement.

But my glasses are black. well a light black which is weird cause you'd swear it be grey. .....unless you are facetious then indeed. I see no point in cursing that would cease to exist if it were to change - it's a wonderful world!


Oh, just noticed. Some Christians do believe the world as you see it, is not as God created it. Instead humans or demons corrupted the world in which God allowed this process to occur as it would interrupt choice.

This, I think, is part of the hurdle, for "believers" and science/evolution. Perhaps this furthers the gap or disregard?

 

[Deathbydefault]

I don't know...

this thing suggested as evolution that you claim to be so sadistic. you are a part of it too. you would only be here because of it. I would think if someone were to look at things as such, that they would question their own involvement.

I'm a byproduct of the process, yes.
If all it were to be is a process, that's not something you can apply a blame to.
However, if there was a someone or something that put the process in place...

I didn't ask to be here, and I don't think the massive amount of life that was exterminated in the evolutionary process was worth it for me to exist.

But my glasses are black. well a light black which is weird cause you'd swear it be grey. .....unless you are facetious then indeed. I see no point in cursing that would cease to exist if it were to change - it's a wonderful world!

Sure.

h, just noticed. Some Christians do believe the world as you see it, is not as God created it. Instead humans or demons corrupted the world in which God allowed this process to occur as it would interrupt choice.

This, I think, is part of the hurdle, for "believers" and science/evolution. Perhaps this furthers the gap or disregard?

That is certainly not as I see it.

The hurdle is non-existent.

 

[randomvim]

I'm a byproduct of the process, yes.
If all it were to be is a process, that's not something you can apply a blame to.
However, if there was a someone or something that put the process in place...

I didn't ask to be here, and I don't think the massive amount of life that was exterminated in the evolutionary process was worth it for me to exist.



Sure.



That is certainly not as I see it.

The hurdle is non-existent.

It's okay if you don't see it that way. But what if it were told that way? If it were, there would be complications in thinking process.

And I would say we are more than by products. All organisms have the same goal. live and reproduce. you were a goal. You have an ecosystem on you, in you. all around is a "living" ecosystem that we all pertain to and interact with.

Cheerio.

 

[psychoslice]

what if evolution made god ?.

 

[Deathbydefault]

And I would say we are more than by products. All organisms have the same goal. live and reproduce. you were a goal. You have an ecosystem on you, in you. all around is a "living" ecosystem that we all pertain to and interact with.

There isn't a goal, or at least it can't be demonstrated that there is one.
Even if there were, our species has advanced to the point where we make our own goals and evolve ourselves via technology.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Look at the atom or a tiny seed. I believe it would be very silly, superstitious and foolish to say there is not a supreme intelligence in the universe. The laws of physics and gravity are all signs of intelligence. Genetic coding and gene mapping only prove there is a super intelligence at work in the universe. Even the tiniest seed is 'programmed' one to produce an apple, another watermelon.

There is supreme intelligence in everything just put it under a microscope if anyone doesn't believe. Does the apple seed have its own will or is it 'programmed' only to produce apples?

94% of human genes are found in chimps, but 50% of banana
genes are found in humans! Other than genetically, humans and bananas are not 50% similar and have no genealogical link. (Pre publication on evolution)

There is so much unknown that to belligerently assert there is no intelligent Being in the universe is the height of ignorance. The human body is another 'masterpiece' proving a higher Being and intelligence capable of such a perfect design. None of us can produce a human being and nature has no will to design such a perfect being as man and randomly it is impossible intelligence came from non intelligence.

We don't know everything. Scientists are still discovering and changing their concepts and looking at new theories.

To just write of anything now is sheer closed and narrow mindedness as well as bias. There are some things we can be sure of though. Man evolved over millions of years. The earth billions. But how, from which ancestry is still not set in stone.

I wouldn't be rushing to judgement just to win an argument. There is both merit in there being a supreme intelligence in the universe just as there being truth in billions of years of evolution. Why and to what end, random or deliberate are the as of yet unproven arguments.

 

[Godobeyer]

I'm not doubting the possibility of God, I am doubting that man who was inspired by God to write the book actually wrote everything as intended by God.

I do believe God sent messagers to world.
and He will Judge us of our deeds.

We were given the ability of Free Will, which also grants us the ability to Disobey him, and God has never stopped us from Disobeying him, even if it's seriously offensive to him.
Same goes for every other book that writes about their Gods, they also mention that their gods demand obedience but gave them free will an the ability to Disobey. Take Odin for instance, what if blood sacrifices were never what Odin wanted an it was just something a believer felt was necessary to add in?

If we don't have no ability to of Free will so we become angels(the angels can't disobey God in Islam view).

One other bit, Jesus NEVER once scolded his mother for anything or any woman for that matter, yet people who believe in him think its their duty to control & scold women as if they are given the express privilege by God/Jesus to do so.
"Let he who is not guilty of sin cast the first stone" yet many still practice stone throwing even today.

Arrogance comes from believing that you know better when in reality you don't. I don't claim to know anything about any God, for all I know God could be a woman, I'm just a mortal, how could I know? I can't simply ask & expect a reply from God, all I can do is be curious til the answer to my questions are answered.

 

[Gyrannon]

He will Judge us of our deeds

The videos you shared doesn't help in saying "we alone are responsible for our actions", it helps in saying "without God, we can't commit evil deeds".
The videos also reinforce the idea that the big bad evil (devil) is pointless cause according to the videos, God is both good & evil.

the angels can't disobey God in Islam view

If you believe in the Devil, he was once an angel (the first angel), an is the personification of evil because he disobeyed.

 

[Godobeyer]

The videos you shared doesn't help in saying "we alone are responsible for our actions", it helps in saying "without God, we can't commit evil deeds".
The videos also reinforce the idea that the big bad evil (devil) is pointless cause according to the videos, God is both good & evil.

I don't agree.

It's really says we alone are responsible for our actions.
Please ,you may need to focus in watch video and being neutral to recieve the pure message,then judge

If you believe in the Devil, he was once an angel (the first angel), an is the personification of evil because he disobeyed.

in Islam veiw Satan (or Devil) was not angel, he was Jinny.

 

[Godobeyer]

Wrong.

You know what wrong with evolution "as starter of creation"

These just my top 3 rejection of evolution as first source of life.

1- one single cell can't creat all these kind of millions species at one. and other millions extincted.
2- there is no prove of change of kind.
3- even if first ever single cell can live for period of time, in end will died,and can't reproduce.

 

[Gyrannon]

I don't agree.

It's really says we alone are responsible for our actions.
Please ,you may need to focus in watch video and being neutral to recieve the pure message,then judge

Whether you agree or not, it is what I'm getting from those videos. And I am being neutral in my response, if I wasn't then there'd be a completely different response with a bit more arrogance to go with it.

in Islam veiw Satan (or Devil) was not angel, he was Jinny.

"jinny" lol. I know what you mean, but that sounds like you're saying "Oh the devil is just a little girl named Jinny." lol.

Djinn, as I understand are what "Genies" were originally called, entities of greater power but highly dangerous in that they twist everything for they are a product of Chaos & Evil.

 

[Godobeyer]

Whether you agree or not, it is what I'm getting from those videos. And I am being neutral in my response, if I wasn't then there'd be a completely different response with a bit more arrogance to go with it.

Sorry .
you don't get the message of videos.
you just analyse them by your prejudging. and actually you are judging/blaming God for being give us the free will or opportunity to choose to do evil or good.

 

[LuisDantas]

You know what wrong with evolution "as starter of creation"

Actually, nothing.

Although that is not at all central to Evolution anyway.

Odds are that life did originate from random chemical reactions, but it might as well be some other way, including divine design, for all the difference it actuall makes.

What the Theory of Evolution really deals with is what happened after the origin of life.

These just my top 3 rejection of evolution as first source of life.

1- one single cell can't creat all these kind of millions species at one. and other millions extincted.

That is simply wrong. We know for a fact that cellular reproduction, mutation and speciation occur.

2- there is no prove of change of kind.

I don't really know what to make of this. It is not like there is a doubt to be clarified.

3- even if first ever single cell can live for period of time, in end will died,and can't reproduce.

Bacteria die and reproduce. Again, it is not like there are any doubts on this matter.