Evolution Deniers more Bigoted

[Kenny]

So the answer is no. You don't have a choice in what your favourite colour is or what foods you find tasty.

Actually, I do. I use to love red... I don't like it anymore and seldom use it. Now it is blue.

Next question?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I disagree.... that is a modern twisting of the word gender to accommodate personal preference. I understand, of course, that people can change meanings if they so choose but it remains a modern twisting of the word gender

Etymology of "gender"

gender (n.)
c. 1300, "kind, sort, class, a class or kind of persons or things sharing certain traits," from Old French gendre, genre "kind, species; character; gender" (12c., Modern French genre), from stem of Latin genus (genitive generis) "race, stock, family; kind, rank, order; species," also "(male or female) sex," from PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.

Also used in Latin to translate Aristotle's Greek grammatical term genos. The grammatical sense is attested in English from late 14c. The unetymological -d- is a phonetic accretion in Old French (compare sound (n.1)).

The "male-or-female sex" sense is attested in English from early 15c. As sex (n.) took on erotic qualities in 20c., gender came to be the usual English word for "sex of a human being," in which use it was at first regarded as colloquial or humorous. Later often in feminist writing with reference to social attributes as much as biological qualities; this sense first attested 1963. Gender-bender is from 1977, popularized from 1980, with reference to pop star David Bowie.

So, I will continue to teach it as its original purpose and not the modern accommodation of what someone wants it to mean.

gender | Etymology, origin and meaning of gender by etymonline

So you use what it means to you. So when did you chose to become straight?

 

[Kenny]

So when did you decide to be straight?.

When I decided not to be a homosexual? Because I figured out it wasn't the right way to live?

Why did I stop visiting a brothel in my teenage year? Because I figured out it wasn't the right way to live.

Why do I remain faithful to my wife and not have another woman? Because I figured out it wasn't the right way to live.

Next question.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I thought it was quite clear. I'm having a difficult time how you don't understand what I'm talking about.

Sorry but telling me that it's "self-evident" doesn't provide any sort of useful clarification about what an "LGBT lifestyle" is.

Maybe this is easier ... what is a "heterosexual lifestyle?"

 

[Kenny]

So you use what it means to you. So when did you chose to become straight?

This isn't "what it means to me"... it is what the definition is and its origin. Just because you don't like it doesn't change what it is.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Actually, I do. I use to love red... I don't like it anymore and seldom use it. Now it is blue.

Next question?

Oh and you consciously chose to stop liking red and start liking blue, did you? How does that work?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I disagree.... that is a modern twisting of the word gender to accommodate personal preference. I understand, of course, that people can change meanings if they so choose but it remains a modern twisting of the word gender

Etymology of "gender"

gender (n.)
c. 1300, "kind, sort, class, a class or kind of persons or things sharing certain traits," from Old French gendre, genre "kind, species; character; gender" (12c., Modern French genre), from stem of Latin genus (genitive generis) "race, stock, family; kind, rank, order; species," also "(male or female) sex," from PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.

Also used in Latin to translate Aristotle's Greek grammatical term genos. The grammatical sense is attested in English from late 14c. The unetymological -d- is a phonetic accretion in Old French (compare sound (n.1)).

The "male-or-female sex" sense is attested in English from early 15c. As sex (n.) took on erotic qualities in 20c., gender came to be the usual English word for "sex of a human being," in which use it was at first regarded as colloquial or humorous. Later often in feminist writing with reference to social attributes as much as biological qualities; this sense first attested 1963. Gender-bender is from 1977, popularized from 1980, with reference to pop star David Bowie.

So, I will continue to teach it as its original purpose and not the modern accommodation of what someone wants it to mean.

gender | Etymology, origin and meaning of gender by etymonline

No, the word was not redefined due to "personal preference" in the way that you use the term. It was changed largely due to the knowledge that gender is more complex than we used to think When people learn more terms are often redefined. I know that change can be hard, but a Christian should not resist change because life is not the way that they want to imagine it to be. It costs us nothing to acknowledge that there are people different from us and it very often harms them when we do not do so. How is it ever the Christian thing to do to harm others for no good reason at all?

 

[SkepticThinker]

When I decided not to be a homosexual? Because I figured out it wasn't the right way to live?

Why did I stop visiting a brothel in my teenage year? Because I figured out it wasn't the right way to live.

Why do I remain faithful to my wife and not have another woman? Because I figured out it wasn't the right way to live.

Next question.

"Being a homosexual" means you're attracted to a person of the same sex. It's not a "way of living."
Comparing sexual orientation to consciously choosing not to visit a brothel or cheating on your spouse are comparable ... how exactly?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

When I decided not to be a homosexual? Because I figured out it wasn't the right way to live?

Why did I stop visiting a brothel in my teenage year? Because I figured out it wasn't the right way to live.

Why do I remain faithful to my wife and not have another woman? Because I figured out it wasn't the right way to live.

Next question.

So that is the same thing a transgendered person do. Choose the right thing for their lives as per your model. Yours is a lifestyle choice and so is theirs per your model.

So to me your choices are evil and you are not even a human. Do you get it now? Do you understand what you are doing?

 

[Kenny]

Sorry but telling me that it's "self-evident" doesn't provide any sort of useful clarification about what an "LGBT lifestyle" is.

Maybe this is easier ... what is a "heterosexual lifestyle?"

Really? Why don't you share what your angle is and be more upfront about it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

This isn't "what it means to me"... it is what the definition is and its origin. Just because you don't like it doesn't change what it is.

Correction. Definition was. Languages change all of the time. And when enough people change their usage of a phrase that means that the definition has changed. A single person cannot dictate how to use language properly. Time has move on and those definitions have changed. They could always change back but not at either my or your behest.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

This isn't "what it means to me"... it is what the definition is and its origin. Just because you don't like it doesn't change what it is.

No, that is what one definition is. You don't seem to understand that how our understanding of how humans work can change, because we have to learn to understand social constructs.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Really? Why don't you share what your angle is and be more upfront about it.

I can't speak for him, but it appears to me that you use that phrase as a slur. Now if I used a phrase as a slur and did not want to explain what I meant I would be a bit loathe to explain what I meant by "obvious" too. Or perhaps by a very small chance you were not using it as a slur.

Let me rephrase the question assuming that you are innocent:

If you did not use that phrase as a slur what did you mean by "LBGQ lifestyle"?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Really? Why don't you share what your angle is and be more upfront about it.

What you like is the right and true choice and other ones are wrong and false.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I can't speak for him, but it appears to me that you use that phrase as a slur. Now if I used a phrase as a slur and did not want to explain what I meant I would be a bit loathe to explain what I meant by "obvious" too. Or perhaps by a very small chance you were not using it as a slur.

Let me rephrase the question assuming that you are innocent:

If you did not use that phrase as a slur what did you mean by "LBGQ lifestyle"?

That it is morally wrong. Check out post #143

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, that is what one definition is. You don't seem to understand that how our understand of how humans work can change, because we have to learn to understand social constructs.

I have a bit of empathy when it comes to his resistance to change. I am getting on the old side so it went against all of what I grew up with. I resisted this idea too at first. But I do tend to listen to others (even though it may not seem like it at times). I listened to people of different sexuality and checked out their claims about the scientific evidence that supported them. They were right. And what did it cos me? Just the teeniest little extra effort to be decent to other human beings. Other than that, nothing.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That it is morally wrong. Check out post #143

I can't. Its gone. POOF!

Oh wait. My bad. I was still on the previous page.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I have a bit of empathy when it comes to his resistance to change. I am getting on the old side so it went against all of what I grew up with. I resisted this idea too at first. But I do tend to listen to others (even though it may not seem like it at times). I listened to people of different sexuality and checked out their claims about the scientific evidence that supported them. They were right. And what did it cos me? Just the teeniest little extra effort to be decent to other human beings. Other than that, nothing.

Well, I get you. I am 57. But I am neurodiverse, so it over the years has become easier for me, because I live part of my life outside the norms.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I can't. Its gone. POOF!

Oh wait. My bad. I was still on the previous page.

Okay.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Really? Why don't you share what your angle is and be more upfront about it.

My "angle" is, what are you talking about???