Evolution Deniers more Bigoted

[Subduction Zone]

When I decided not to be a homosexual? Because I figured out it wasn't the right way to live?

Why did I stop visiting a brothel in my teenage year? Because I figured out it wasn't the right way to live.

Why do I remain faithful to my wife and not have another woman? Because I figured out it wasn't the right way to live.

Next question.

Really. When did you "figure out" ( and how on Earth did you do that) it was not the "right way to live"? You did not really answer the question. It appears that you are claiming to have had attraction to people of the same sex as you are, or would that be an incorrect conclusion on my part?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That is exactly my point and, thus, the OP doesn't have merit.

How convenient of you to snip out the part of how the Southern Baptists are one of the world's most common denominations amd they do add hefty merit to the OP.
Amd keep in mind, finding a few exceptions doesn't deflate the OP. It doesn't claim all, or always, or anything of 100% certainty. But it does show a correlation between denying evolution and prejudice. And we know that many churches who are against evolution are frequently anti-LGBT.

 

[metis]

To be serious, I prefer making sure our friendship isn't hindered by my miscommunication

Agreed, my friend.

BTW, do you prefer being burnt at the stake or having your head chopped off? Choose one.

So, you avoided answering this question. The answer should be obvious, as a hot steak is always better then a cold chop.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

When I decided not to be a homosexual? Because I figured out it wasn't the right way to live?

Sounds like you never even actually considered it and you're a regular straight guy.

 

[metis]

The last scientific study on gender preference that I've seen had it that the geneticists calculate that at least about 80% of people who are "gay" do so because they're following what their hormones are "telling them". We also see homosexuality amongst some monkeys and great apes, thus it's not just a human thingy.

So, if God made all directly, then why did God make some with hormones that don't match the "equipment"?

 

[ppp]

When I decided not to be a homosexual? Because I figured out it wasn't the right way to live?

Are you sexually attracted to men?

 

[Kenny]

@SkepticThinker @mikkel_the_dane @Subduction Zone @Shadow Wolf @Policy

I think we all understand where are positions are and what we believe (without having to go around in circles)

In our church we have been visited by more than a few people that have chosen their homosexual lifestyle.

I remember saying hello to two young ladies, one presented the other as her husband.

We greeted them and welcomed them into our service and both gave their lives to Jesus Christ. They attended for quite a few months and then we didn't see them as they had left the area.

Probably a year later we received a letter of "thankfulness" from the one that had presented herself as the wife. She was thanking us for our love. They had separated and the "husband" was in jail. She had married a biologically gendered male and was so thankful for what God had done in her life, was extremely happy and thankful for what we had given her while she was with us

She, in essence, destroyed the myth that there is no choice.

So... I support your right to believe what you believe but I still remain a believer in what I believe. We all can be kind while living with differences.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

@SkepticThinker @mikkel_the_dane @Subduction Zone @Shadow Wolf @Policy

I think we all understand where are positions are and what we believe (without having to go around in circles)

In our church we have been visited by more than a few people that have chosen their homosexual lifestyle.

I remember saying hello to two young ladies, one presented the other as her husband.

We greeted them and welcomed them into our service and both gave their lives to Jesus Christ. They attended for quite a few months and then we didn't see them as they had left the area.

Probably a year later we received a letter of "thankfulness" from the one that had presented herself as the wife. She was thanking us for our love. They had separated and the "husband" was in jail. She had married a biologically gendered male and was so thankful for what God had done in her life, was extremely happy and thankful for what we had given her while she was with us

She, in essence, destroyed the myth that there is no choice.

So... I support your right to believe what you believe but I still remain a believer in what I believe. We all can be kind while living with differences.

No. I will follow the rules here. But I won't be kind with you as such in the end. I accept you as a human, but I won't be kind to you. Why? Because there can't be no difference as you are right and they are wrong. Thus it is not really a difference. That is the problem.
You are in essence trying to get use to accept that you don't accept that there is no difference between you and them/us. We are all humans and thus there is no difference. So I am not kind and call your trick.

 

[SkepticThinker]

@SkepticThinker @mikkel_the_dane @Subduction Zone @Shadow Wolf @Policy

I think we all understand where are positions are and what we believe (without having to go around in circles)

In our church we have been visited by more than a few people that have chosen their homosexual lifestyle.

I remember saying hello to two young ladies, one presented the other as her husband.

We greeted them and welcomed them into our service and both gave their lives to Jesus Christ. They attended for quite a few months and then we didn't see them as they had left the area.

Probably a year later we received a letter of "thankfulness" from the one that had presented herself as the wife. She was thanking us for our love. They had separated and the "husband" was in jail. She had married a biologically gendered male and was so thankful for what God had done in her life, was extremely happy and thankful for what we had given her while she was with us

She, in essence, destroyed the myth that there is no choice.

So... I support your right to believe what you believe but I still remain a believer in what I believe. We all can be kind while living with differences.

Ohhh, so what you mean by choice is denying your natural inclinations because others told you it's the wrong "lifestyle" and then pretending to be somebody else in order to make other people happy. That sounds incredibly sad to me.

This still doesn't tell me what an LGBT "lifestyle" is though. For instance, my cousin is a lesbian, but she leads pretty much the same lifestyle that I do - she has a spouse, kids, a home, a job, etc. The only difference is that her spouse is a woman and mine is a man.
I think what you mean is what kind of sexual intercourse you have, right? I guess you aren't aware that both homosexual and heterosexual can and do practice the same sex acts?

 

[Kenny]

No. I will follow the rules here. But I won't be kind with you as such in the end. I accept you as a human, but I won't be kind to you. Why? Because there can't be no difference as you are right and they are wrong. Thus it is not really a difference. That is the problem.
You are in essence trying to get use to accept that you don't accept that there is no difference between you and them/us. We are all humans and thus there is no difference. So I am not kind and call your trick.

OK... you are a free-will spiritual agent and you can live your life that way. I think kindness is better.

 

[Kenny]

Ohhh, so what you mean by choice is denying your natural inclinations...
?

So, if one's natural inclination is to rob... rob away. Got it!

 

[Subduction Zone]

So, if one's natural inclination is to rob... rob away. Got it!

If robbing did not harm anyone why not? Oh . . . wait .. . Are you saying that robbing does harm people? I guess that would be a failed analogy then.

 

[Subduction Zone]

OK... you are a free-will spiritual agent and you can live your life that way. I think kindness is better.

It is a kindness to trat people with respect. That includes the LBGQ.

 

[Subduction Zone]

@SkepticThinker @mikkel_the_dane @Subduction Zone @Shadow Wolf @Policy

I think we all understand where are positions are and what we believe (without having to go around in circles)

In our church we have been visited by more than a few people that have chosen their homosexual lifestyle.

I remember saying hello to two young ladies, one presented the other as her husband.

We greeted them and welcomed them into our service and both gave their lives to Jesus Christ. They attended for quite a few months and then we didn't see them as they had left the area.

Probably a year later we received a letter of "thankfulness" from the one that had presented herself as the wife. She was thanking us for our love. They had separated and the "husband" was in jail. She had married a biologically gendered male and was so thankful for what God had done in her life, was extremely happy and thankful for what we had given her while she was with us

She, in essence, destroyed the myth that there is no choice.

So... I support your right to believe what you believe but I still remain a believer in what I believe. We all can be kind while living with differences.

Yes, some people are Bi. That is what the B in LBGQ stands for. They are attracted to people of both sexes. They could be said to have a choice. And I personally do not know the distribution of the sexual spectrum. Some of us are very straight. Some of us are GAYYYYY!!. And some of us are in between. Your church is making the mistake of thinking that because some people are significantly in between that all gay people are in between and can make a choice. Sorry, but they can no more choose than you or I can.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

@SkepticThinker @mikkel_the_dane @Subduction Zone @Shadow Wolf @Policy

I think we all understand where are positions are and what we believe (without having to go around in circles)

In our church we have been visited by more than a few people that have chosen their homosexual lifestyle.

I remember saying hello to two young ladies, one presented the other as her husband.

We greeted them and welcomed them into our service and both gave their lives to Jesus Christ. They attended for quite a few months and then we didn't see them as they had left the area.

Probably a year later we received a letter of "thankfulness" from the one that had presented herself as the wife. She was thanking us for our love. They had separated and the "husband" was in jail. She had married a biologically gendered male and was so thankful for what God had done in her life, was extremely happy and thankful for what we had given her while she was with us

She, in essence, destroyed the myth that there is no choice.

So... I support your right to believe what you believe but I still remain a believer in what I believe. We all can be kind while living with differences.

You aren't making a very good case. Like your use of "presenting as the 'husband.'" Does this mean the husband is FtM trans? Or are you trying to force heteronormative standards onto homosexual couples? Or is she bi?
And do we know this is a choice or denying something else to try to fit in to what others have told her is right and wrong based on what an ancient book (that has a ritual involving birds blood being slung all over the place) has to say on the issue? Is she free of homosexual inclinations, or is it peer pressure rooted in a book that gives a few conditions where you have to kill your kids?
And, yeah, one example you've had scant contact with doesn't really count much towards the mountains of data that show it's not a choice and you really can't force someone to be what they're not. Especially in light of the massive evidence you can't force people to be what they aren't and it's dangerous to try.
What Is Conversion Therapy?

 

[Subduction Zone]

You aren't making a very good case. Like your use of "presenting as the 'husband.'" Does this mean the husband is FtM trans? Or are you trying to force heteronormative standards onto homosexual couples? Or is she bi?
And do we know this is a choice or denying something else to try to fit in to what others have told her is right and wrong based on what an ancient book (that has a ritual involving birds blood being slung all over the place) has to say on the issue? Is she free of homosexual inclinations, or is it peer pressure rooted in a book that gives a few conditions where you have to kill your kids?
And, yeah, one example you've had scant contact with doesn't really count much towards the mountains of data that show it's not a choice and you really can't force someone to be what they're not. Especially in light of the massive evidence you can't force people to be what they aren't and it's dangerous to try.
What Is Conversion Therapy?

I have to admit that I have never asked "who is the girl" though I have wondered. I know, sex is not going to be the same for a gay couple as they are for a straight couple,, of either sex, and I really do not need to know.

 

[Kenny]

You aren't making a very good case. Like your use of "presenting as the 'husband.'" Does this mean the husband is FtM trans? Or are you trying to force heteronormative standards onto homosexual couples? Or is she bi?
And do we know this is a choice or denying something else to try to fit in to what others have told her is right and wrong based on what an ancient book (that has a ritual involving birds blood being slung all over the place) has to say on the issue? Is she free of homosexual inclinations, or is it peer pressure rooted in a book that gives a few conditions where you have to kill your kids?
And, yeah, one example you've had scant contact with doesn't really count much towards the mountains of data that show it's not a choice and you really can't force someone to be what they're not. Especially in light of the massive evidence you can't force people to be what they aren't and it's dangerous to try.
What Is Conversion Therapy?

All I did was relay what they said... and we welcomed them. Didn't force any standards, didn't "correct them", just loved on them

Don't make it more that what it was, please.

 

[ppp]

It is a kindness to trat people with respect. That includes the LBGQ.

And the T.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

All I did was relay what they said... and we welcomed them. Didn't force any standards, didn't "correct them", just loved on them

Don't make it more that what it was, please.

If it's two women and you're saying one was the wife and the other the husband that is holding them to and placing them within heteronormative standards. You also have apparently had little correspondence with her, so it's a valid question to ask if she's bi.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

@SkepticThinker @mikkel_the_dane @Subduction Zone @Shadow Wolf @Policy

I think we all understand where are positions are and what we believe (without having to go around in circles)

In our church we have been visited by more than a few people that have chosen their homosexual lifestyle.

I remember saying hello to two young ladies, one presented the other as her husband.

We greeted them and welcomed them into our service and both gave their lives to Jesus Christ. They attended for quite a few months and then we didn't see them as they had left the area.

Probably a year later we received a letter of "thankfulness" from the one that had presented herself as the wife. She was thanking us for our love. They had separated and the "husband" was in jail. She had married a biologically gendered male and was so thankful for what God had done in her life, was extremely happy and thankful for what we had given her while she was with us

She, in essence, destroyed the myth that there is no choice.

So... I support your right to believe what you believe but I still remain a believer in what I believe. We all can be kind while living with differences.

Just out of curiosity, and maybe someone already asked this, but when did you choose? I don't recall making a choice. Do you know others that recall when they chose? I always wonder when people say that about choice.