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Evolution: Do you see the resemblence

Aasimar

Atheist
What is an evol?

And didn't Mesternia just cite some examples of civilizations older then Ararat.

Let's try this.

No more wishy washy garbage, tell us what you are considering to be a civilization.

Make it clear if you mean civilization or city.

And please no more colored text saying GOD IS RIGHT with the smiley yes emoticon.
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Adding Emoticons does not make it ture.

Why do you reject Mesternia's civilization references?
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Mankind (prehistoric beings) changed from prehistoric to Human just AFTER Noah arrived on this "Planet Apes" (described by some scientists). Civilization was born just South of the Mountains of Ararat, exactly as God told us.

This event took place some 10,000 + - years ago, and History agrees with Scripture. Evolutionism is odd man out, and NO Evol has been able to show us ANY evidence of an Earlier Human Civilization, than that which is listed in Scripture.

Don't you find it coincidental that the Cradle of Civilization, the home of writing, math, and Civilization, on this Planet, is just South of the mountains of Ararat? God's Truth is the Truth in every way.
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How does anything you've said, except the stuff about Noah, contradict the Theory of Evolution?
 

4Pillars

Member
There were NO Human, on this planet, until Noah arrived SOME 10K years ago, which is confirmed by the fact that there are NO other Human Civilizations, older than Mesopotamia, just South of the mountains of Ararat.

Mesopotamia Mesopotamia, «MEHS uh puh
TAY mee uh», was an ancient region in which the world's earliest civilization developed. Mesopotamia included the area that is now eastern Syria, southeastern Turkey, and most of Iraq. It extended from the Taurus Mountains in the north to the Persian Gulf in the south, and from the Zagros Mountains in the east to the Syrian Desert in the west. But the heart of the region was the land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. The name Mesopotamia comes from a Greek word meaning between rivers. Northern Mesopotamia was a plateau that had a mild climate. Parts of it received enough rain for crops to grow. In southern Mesopotamia, a plain of fertile soil left by floodwaters of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers provided rich farmland. But the long, hot summers and little rain in this area made irrigation necessary for agriculture. The oldest known communities in northern Mesopotamia were villages established in the Zagros foothills by about 7000 B.C.

The first Human Cities, on this Planet, were built just South of the mountains of Ararat. Noah is the missing link between animal and Human Intelligence. Noah brought Human Intelligence to this Planet of innocent "Apes".



:yes:
 

McBell

Unbound
I am beginning to suspect that perhaps maybe 4pillars is a troll.

Since there still has been no evidence presented.
 

Aasimar

Atheist
Cited from:


The First Towns: Seedbeds Of Civilization
The Origins Of Civilizations
Edited By: R. A. Guisepi


By about 7000 B.C., techniques of agricultural production in the Middle
East had reached a level at which it was possible to support thousands of
people, many of whom were not engaged in agriculture, in densely populated
settlements. Two of the earliest of these settlements were at Jericho in what
is today the Israeli-occupied West Bank, and at Catal Huyuk in present-day
southern Turkey. With populations of about 2000 and from 4000 to 6000 people
respectively, Jericho and Catal Huyuk would be seen today as little more than
large villages or small towns. But in the perspective of human cultural
development they represented the first stirrings of urban life. In these and
other Middle Eastern Neolithic settlements, occupational specialization and
the formation of religious and political-military elite groups advanced
significantly. Trade became essential for the community's survival and was
carried on, perhaps by specialized merchants, with peoples at considerable
distances. Crafts such as pottery, metalworking, and jewelry making were
highly developed. At Catal Huyuk in particular, both sculpture and wall
painting were carried to a high level of sophistication.
 

Azakel

Liebe ist für alle da
4Pillars, I don't know a whole lot about the Bible and all, but now your say that it was because of Noah that there is Civilization, yet at first you where saying it was Cain. Well who is it, as far as I remember Cain come before Noah, and there is nothing about them in any History writings other then the Bible. If Noah was really to thank for brings us intelligence then wouldn't he being in some time of history of the City he started, or would that make Noah God?
 

Quoth The Raven

Half Arsed Muse
There were NO Human, on this planet, until Noah arrived SOME 10K years ago, which is confirmed by the fact that there are NO other Human Civilizations, older than Mesopotamia, just South of the mountains of Ararat.

Mesopotamia Mesopotamia, «MEHS uh puh TAY mee uh», was an ancient region in which the world's earliest civilization developed. Mesopotamia included the area that is now eastern Syria, southeastern Turkey, and most of Iraq. It extended from the Taurus Mountains in the north to the Persian Gulf in the south, and from the Zagros Mountains in the east to the Syrian Desert in the west. But the heart of the region was the land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. The name Mesopotamia comes from a Greek word meaning between rivers. Northern Mesopotamia was a plateau that had a mild climate. Parts of it received enough rain for crops to grow. In southern Mesopotamia, a plain of fertile soil left by floodwaters of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers provided rich farmland. But the long, hot summers and little rain in this area made irrigation necessary for agriculture. The oldest known communities in northern Mesopotamia were villages established in the Zagros foothills by about 7000 B.C.

The first Human Cities, on this Planet, were built just South of the mountains of Ararat. Noah is the missing link between animal and Human Intelligence. Noah brought Human Intelligence to this Planet of innocent "Apes".


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And where did Noah arrive from?
Cities don't make you human...there are other qualifications for that, which is why Kalahari Bushmen and many other indiginous people the world over are still human, despite the marked lack of town halls and flying buttresses.
Some days I just want to slap myself for continuing to argue with people who would believe the moon was made of cheese and God lived in a neo gothic mansion in Antarctica if the bible said so, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.:slap:
 

Azakel

Liebe ist für alle da
Some days I just want to slap myself for continuing to argue with people who would believe the moon was made of cheese and God lived in a neo gothic mansion in Antarctica if the bible said so, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.:slap:

You mean that the Moon isn't made of Cheese and God doesn't live in a NeoGothic mansion in Antarctica. My Faith is shattered :sad4:
 

4Pillars

Member
4Pillars, I don't know a whole lot about the Bible and all, but now your say that it was because of Noah that there is Civilization, yet at first you where saying it was Cain. Well who is it, as far as I remember Cain come before Noah, and there is nothing about them in any History writings other then the Bible. If Noah was really to thank for brings us intelligence then wouldn't he being in some time of history of the City he started, or would that make Noah God?

Cain's descendants were a dead end. After some 1620 years, they were all destroyed in the Flood. Today's Humans can trace their origin to Adam through Seth. God called Adam and Eve's name "Adam" (Hebrew-mankind) in the Day they were created in God's Image. Gen 5:2

The source originated on the 5th Day when the LORD created every living creature that moveth, from the water. Gen 1:21 This includes the one we described as Prehistoric Beings, or as God calls them, the sons of God. Genesis 6 tells us that when they married the daughters of Adam, Great and Mighty men, were the offspring.

The source on this Planet was Noah. When Noah arrived - after their world was completely destroyed by the universal flood - his sons were all married, but his grandsons, like Cain, married the Prehistoric people who were here when Noah arrived.

The combination of the descendants of the sons of God and Adam's descendants brought Human Intelligence to this Planet of Apes. Human Civilization can be traced to Noah's arrival, exactly as God told us more than 3,000 years ago.

EvolutionISM is the odd man out. :yes:
 

Azakel

Liebe ist für alle da
Cain's descendants were a dead end. After some 1620 years, they were all destroyed in the Flood. Today's Humans can trace their origin to Adam through Seth. God called Adam and Eve's name "Adam" (Hebrew-mankind) in the Day they were created in God's Image. Gen 5:2

The source originated on the 5th Day when the LORD created every living creature that moveth, from the water. Gen 1:21 This includes the one we described as Prehistoric Beings, or as God calls them, the sons of God. Genesis 6 tells us that when they married the daughters of Adam, Great and Mighty men, were the offspring.

The source on this Planet was Noah. When Noah arrived - after their world was completely destroyed by the universal flood - his sons were all married, but his grandsons, like Cain, married the Prehistoric people who were here when Noah arrived.

The combination of the descendants of the sons of God and Adam's descendants brought Human Intelligence to this Planet of Apes. Human Civilization can be traced to Noah's arrival, exactly as God told us more than 3,000 years ago.

EvolutionISM is the odd man out. :yes:

Then why don't we all look the same?
 

McBell

Unbound
The source on this Planet was Noah. When Noah arrived - after their world was completely destroyed by the universal flood - his sons were all married, but his grandsons, like Cain, married the Prehistoric people who were here when Noah arrived.

Seems we do not have to do much to poke holes in this theory of yours.
You are doing a fine job all by yourself.
 

astarath

Well-Known Member
oh boy!!!! DO you not see that if the old universe was completely destroyed then so too would all the prehistoric people be destroyed!!!
 

camanintx

Well-Known Member
The source on this Planet was Noah. When Noah arrived - after their world was completely destroyed by the universal flood - his sons were all married, but his grandsons, like Cain, married the Prehistoric people who were here when Noah arrived.

I get the feeling 4Pillars believes Noah and his family came to Earth from another planet.
 

camanintx

Well-Known Member
There were NO Human, on this planet, until Noah arrived SOME 10K years ago, which is confirmed by the fact that there are NO other Human Civilizations, older than Mesopotamia, just South of the mountains of Ararat.

The first Human Cities, on this Planet, were built just South of the mountains of Ararat. Noah is the missing link between animal and Human Intelligence. Noah brought Human Intelligence to this Planet of innocent "Apes".

So how do you explain artifacts dating back more that 20K years such as the Ishango bone, found in the Belgian Congo, or the Venus of Willendorf, which by the way, is nowhere near Mesopotamia, or Jōmon pottery from Japan that is 14,000 years old? Maybe your "prehistoric apes" were more advanced than you give them credit for.
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
roli: Do you even read other people's posts? Or do you just repeat your prepackaged irrational rants over and over. Never mind, don't answer that.
Scientists have some very interesting studies in certain areas of science and as I have said before, they are important to enhance life, but when they mix humanism in with atheisim it becomes a religion that has an agenda to totally remove the concept of God ,creationism etc, dspite what you or others say in defense.
Well, if they did that, it wouldn't be science. Are you listening at all? Or do you insert your fingers into your ears before typing. You don't seem to have learned anything at all. I can't count how many times that we've told you that God is outside of the scope of science. Please try to follow along: for the purpose of this discussion, we are all assuming not only that God exists, but that He created the universe and everything in it. Now we're going to learn how He created living organisms. Have you grasped that much? Please answer specifically, because my fingers are getting tired of typing the same thing over and over.
Scienists are stumped by such complexities as the origin,fuction and design of the eye
No they're not. Scientists know the evolutionary origin of the eye, how it functions, and that design does not enter into it.
which causes questions regarding evolution by natural selection, random chance.
Yes, that is what science is for, to explore and answer questions. This one has pretty much been answered. Cool, eh?

The only difference with modern evolutionary theories today is the spin they palce on all their terms ,findings and objectives.
Don't know what you mean here. Actually evolutionary theory is constantly expanding and refining, which is why there are entire university departments, long books, scholarly articles constantly being churned out about various aspects of it. None of them touch on explosions, God, or rocks.

Man can't come close to designing an equal to the human eye, which if they tried would take the most massive and complex computer to attempt to simulate what the eye can do.
I don't know whether this is true, but nature certainly is marvellous. You have to admire what God in His wondrous glory has accomplished through evolution.

Understand what , that the underlying argument and overall objective of evolutionists is to ultimately set in the minds of society that we came from a massive inanimate explosion, but they mask it with a modern theory and smoke screen that we have come from a common ancestor , how appropriate and almost convincing, a common ancestor really does make sense to the masses.
I don't know how else to say this, roli, but you're just plain lying. The first time you said it, you may have been confused. But now that it's been explained to you again and again, there's no other word for it.

It's like this. Science is divided up into different subjects, such as geology, chemistry, astronomy, biology, and the like. I think the subject you are talking about here is cosmology. And not to get derailed, but even the Big Bang theory, which is what I think you are referring to, is not an explosion. In any case, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH EVOLUTION. Evolution is part of biology. Big Bang has no more to do with evolution than does the pipe theory of plumbing.

It's interesting that is not what was in the school text books , when evolution made it's scene in our western culture,maybe because the theories scientific explainations evolve as random as they beleive humans did.
No one knows what you were trying to say here. Try again.
It's revised into a new evolutionary model , such as the" common ancestor"
Did'nt it go something like this in the school textbooks,"millions and millions of years ago there was a massive explosion" and man came from some Prebiotic soup mix" , which ultimately says we came from a bacteria cesspool and surprise complex humans.
No.
Evolutionists simply amaze me in their creativity.
What is an evolutionist?
I truly beleive the irony of all this is that evolutionists are creationists in the fact they create evolutionary theories continuous to cover over their last findings to appear superior and on top of their field.
Yes, science does require creativity as well as rigor.

But what is it that you beleive beyond the common ancestor, you got all the answers ,why stop there,how can speicies change into other speicies, where is the fossil records and where is evidence of it happening today.
I think I answered the first one, and I hate to waste my time repeating myself, so please go back and read my posts and tell me whether you understood them. (You don't seem to have, or why are you asking this?) And, since you asked, when my fingers are recovered, I will begin on the evidence.

There is no evidence of the evolutionary process that you all believe happened and where not talking about mini ,micro evolutionary change that we all believe takes place .
Yes, there is, as I will demonstrate. So this sounds like you agree that new species do evolve, you just think it stops at some point? Is that correct? Because if so we're half way there.

it's macro evolutionary process that you ultimately believe, which there is no record of speices changing into other species as you suggest.
I'm confused. You think that species change, but never into new species? Why not?
I am not talking about your proof in which you use an insect changing metamorphically into some particular advanced stage of the same species doing nothing more than what was in it's DNA.
Are you saying that new species never evolve? If I cited actual examples of that very thing, would it change your mind?

I know,.... you claim it is all over ,they ceased milliona of years ago REGARDING macro evolutionary changes, how convenient.
No, you're mistaken in this as in everything else. Evolution is going on right now. Isn't that exciting?
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
Evolutionist Religion is being taught to our children in Elementary School. Kids are taught that we "evolved" our Human intelligence along with our bodies. Such thinking is why EvolutionISM should be removed from our public schools. It contaminates the hearts of those who fall for such foolishness.

Accepting that we "evolved" our Human intelligence from that which has NO intelligence, is pure Evol Religion. Just Believe, these false Religionists teach. Such acceptance by Blind Faith is typical for most Evols. With little or No evidence, these zealous worshippers claim they don't have Evol Religion, but their own words betray them.

First we spontaneously sprang forth Chemically.... POOF... and then we magically changed from animal to Human intelligence, after Mystically Morphing from Amoeba to Man.

Such Mother Goose fantasy is available only from True Evol Believers. Don't laugh, for they are Force teaching their laughable Religion to our children, while screaming for "evidence" that they are wrong.

Creationism is accepting God's Truth as told in Genesis. It is True to every true discovery of Science. It exposes the lie of the Evolution of Human Intelligence.

Creationism, the manner in which God Created His Perfect Heaven, is a work in progress. Why do His people, His believers, disagree with Evolution, so much? It's because Evolution is an untrue, incomplete, False Assumption of Godless men, who CANNOT understand Scripture.

JHMO

I realize this is a long thread, but I would appreciate it very much if you would please review it before posting, as most of your points have already been addressed. Evolution is a theory in the field of Biology. Like all science, it takes no position on the existence of God. For the purpose of this thread, we are all assuming that God exists and created the world in all its glory. The question for Biologists then is to find out how, whether by creating all the species once and once only, with no new species ever coming into existence (special creation) or by setting up a system in which new species evolve gradually from existing species. (evolution.) Biologists believe that it is the latter, and in a bit I'm going to explain why.

But if I have to spend all my time repeating myself, we'll never get there.

There is no such thing as evolutionism, and therefore it is not taught anywhere. There is only biology.

We will cover the evidence shorty, but there's a truckload of it, so please stick around.

Most scientists who accept and work with this theory do believe in God, including many Christians.

In any case, all of these things have been explained already in this thread, so please re-track. Thank you.
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
Ape/monkey societies are Not Human Civilizations.
Of course not. They're ape or monkey, as the case may be.
Some Evols would have us believe that we ARE Apes. We are the descendants of Adam and the sons of God (prehistoric beings).
Biologists and anthropologists believe that human beings are a species of ape, because that is what the evidence seems to indicate.
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
The 1st HumanCity was built by Cain with NO preconditions, and virtually No evolution. When one possess Human Intelligence, he doesn't have to wait for Evolution for some 4 Million years, to built himself a home.

:yes:
Do you have any evidence for this strange assertion?
 
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