Vile Atheist
Loud and Obnoxious
In order for something to evolve, it must reproduce. To my knowledge, most people's interpretation of God does not include a reproducing God. Hence, God cannot evolve.
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Evolution is False and Impossible
- Thread starter SilvaMo0n
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In order for something to evolve, it must reproduce. To my knowledge, most people's interpretation of God does not include a reproducing God. Hence, God cannot evolve.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
The problem here is that you are ascribing attributes to the unknown. This is the same thing most religions are guilty of.
nonbeliever_92
Well-Known Member
I find it hilarious that alot of creatonists insist that things can't just simply exist, yet they have a god that just simply exists.
Vile Atheist
Loud and Obnoxious
No, I'm not. In order for something to evolve, it needs to reproduce. Therefore if it was to be said if God evolved, God would have to reproduce. Unknown or not, if it evolves, it reproduces. God isn't a Pokemon, though it would be a lot cooler if He was.
I'm not ascribing any property to God, I'm merely saying if X is true (God evolves), then Y has to be true (God reproduces) because Y is the means of X.
The Neo Nerd
Well-Known Member
LOL yeah this one cracks me up.
But i usually respond
"Well your god just exists, why cant the universe and let's face it there is more evidence for the universe than there is for a god.
-Q
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
Um, yes you are. Namely...
1) In order for something to evolve, it needs to reproduce- While this is true of biological life, we cannot say it is true of a supposed god without ascribing biological attributes to the god.
2) God isn't a Pokemon- Here you deny a feature to this god, without knowing if it is true.
nonbeliever_92
Well-Known Member
technically, you are. you start off assuming something exists (jokingly, yes) and then attributing it characteristics. who claimed god can't reproduce, if he is real?
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painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
Good point... perhaps it ties in with the multiverse?
Every time god reproduces a new universe pops into existance.
wa:do
Vile Atheist
Loud and Obnoxious
Oh, so you don't actually have a point, you're just being a needless contrarian.
1) Evolution cannot happen without reproduction. I don't know what you don't get about this, but merely saying that "God might be able to evolve without reproduction" is asinine. That is the process of evolution.
Besides, if God is perfect how, exactly, would God even be able to evolve? How do you evolve from "omnipotent", "omniscient", and "omnipresent" to something more suited to your environment? I think that's about as high as you can go.
2) I don't even know why you bothered responding to an obvious joke as if it were a serious point. I don't know what you sought to accomplish here, but this just highlights point 1. God isn't a Pokemon. Pokemon can evolve without reproducing.
And besides, you keep chanting this mantra of "we can't possibly know anything about God", how bout "we can't possibly know if God even exists because God supposedly exists outside the natural world"? I think questioning the existence of God is a lot more important than some vain attempt to refute a facetious claim that God is not a Pokemon.
Vile Atheist
Loud and Obnoxious
I wasn't the one who made the assumptions. I'm going by someone else's.
They claimed that God might evolve. In order for that to happen, we must assume for the sake of argument God exists. And there are many reasons as to why God can't evolve.
Namely because the purpose of evolution is to make an organism better suited to its environment. If God is already the pinnacle of power, if God did evolve from perfection, it would have to be a state where God is less than perfect.
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
not all god concepts.... I'd hardly call Loki or Zeus perfect for example. (even though they both reproduced)
wa:do
Vile Atheist
Loud and Obnoxious
I realize there is about a different interpretation of God for every person. That's why I was trying to keep it to the Judeo-Christian god and the fairly common interpretations of him. Perhaps I should have explicitly said that.
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
Well, as I'm not a member of "the big three" I tend to try and remind people that the "popular" view of 'god' isn't nessisarily the only, or even correct one.
If you want to argue against the existence of god then you will have to have arguments that cover more than the Judeo-christain-muslim model.
wa:do
If you want to argue against the existence of god then you will have to have arguments that cover more than the Judeo-christain-muslim model.
wa:do
Vile Atheist
Loud and Obnoxious
I'm not arguing against the existence of God, though. God is a concept you cannot prove or disprove. It is irrational to say "God definitely exists", just as it is irrational to say "God definitely does not exist".
And I maintain my arguments as directed towards the Abrahamics as they make up most of the world's religious followers and they are the people who I deal with in my everyday life. I know one Satanist, a few atheists, and the rest are either Christian, Muslim, or Jew. I don't even personally know any pantheists, so I'm not going to direct my arguments against them for the mere matter they are few in number and influence.
I try to argue against commonly accepted traits of God to expose the improbability of a God existing to the point of pretty much negligability.
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
so you are not arguing against god existing.... just that god doesn't exist.
either way... this isn't the thread to do so. Evolution says nothing about the existence or non-existence of god. (nor does any scientific theory)
wa:do
Vile Atheist
Loud and Obnoxious
so you are not arguing against god existing.... just that god doesn't exist.
either way... this isn't the thread to do so. Evolution says nothing about the existence or non-existence of god. (nor does any scientific theory)
wa:do
No...
There is a difference between arguing to prove or disprove something and arguing to demonstrate improbability.
Take the question: If you walk across the street five seconds from now, will you get hit by a car?
That is not something I can prove or disprove immediately because it is beyond my scope. BUT, I can offer evidence to show how it is improbable. I can point to the day of the week - Sunday, less traffic. Time of day: Rush hour vs 4 am. Location of street: Downtown or country road. Average traffic volume per hour, which can be converted to per second.
Arguing those individual points does not conclusively prove or disprove you will get hit by the car. But it can show that it can be very UNLIKELY you will.
And as for evolution, I agree...but to be fair, this thread was already slightly off-topic and I was just continuing it.
darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
What does this have to do with God? Even if for some reason there was improbability evidence theists just move the goal posts in order to remain in their self imposed state of ignorance.
I find the major religions rediculous but as long as they leave me alone i really don't care. Its not up to me to fix the world, some people are just too faithful to be properly educated. Live and let live champ.
Vile Atheist
Loud and Obnoxious
It has to do with God because like God, it is a concept you cannot prove or disprove, but you can make assessments on probability based on certain factors.
And you're right and I absolutely agree with you that the goalposts keep on moving and that my tiny, insignificant voice will probably scarcely make a difference. But I feel it is important that I at least try.
Danarch
Robot!
Hey you mispelled agnostic in the religion field of your profile. It looks like it says atheist.:sw: