Evolution is False and Impossible

[ThereIsNoSpoon]

How is being all-knowing and all-powerful a contradiction?

It depends on how you define them of course.

Suppose allknowing means (includes) all that you will do and means that you know what will definetly happen.

As soon as this is the case you can't do anything else OR you would run into a different flow of acts.

Suppose you have the power to smile and of course not to smile.
Suppose you KNEW that you would smile now. If your knowledge is true then you can't choose not to smile OR If you choose not to smile, then you didnt KNOW that you would smile.
A trick around that would be to state that God doesnt know what happens but knows all things that might happen (really really allknowing). If so then he would not know what REALLY happens but just all things that might happen. That would be a lack of knowledge

However ... most of the time people rather argue using one OMNI and some other attribute (which doesn have to be an omni).
Like moral perfection and free will.
Or allknowing versus human free will.
etc.

 

[Willamena]

But to tell you the truth, since there's also an omniscient attribute to God, he probably could find a way to jump over that wall and be omnipotent at the same time.

That's the idea. He would necessarily be the wall, its perspective, the jumping over of it, the entity jumping over it, and the perspective of the entity jumping over it. He'd also be the complete negation of those things (but that's another story).

 

[Amhairghine]

I was browsing when I found

I hate to give the impression that I am uncharitable and non-compassionate for those intellectually impaired but here it goes.

Evolution is not a theory. It is established fact backed by millions of tonnes of evidence (fossils, comparative anatomy, genetic codes or genomes, fossil dating with wonderful accuracy (radioisotope dating, tectonic plate velocity dating, magnetic field reversal dating, and genetic marker rate dating.) Evolution is shown clearly in our own human evolution. At early stages of our own evolution, we as embryos have segmented myotomes identical to worms. Later we have a notochord to give a back rigidity that occurred in pre-vertebrates. We have gill slits of primitive gill tissue similar to early proto-fish, lungfish and lobefin fishes. We have a tail with vertebrae like monkeys until it is absorbed and recycled in later gestation.

Our brains have the greatest proof of evolution. We did not develop a simply larger and more complex brain. We began with the simple medullary brain of fish, and then as we develop in gestation, the brain adds new parts anteriorly as regulated by genes. These include in order: pons, archaeocerebellum/Palaeocerebellum, midbrain, diencephalon (with thalamus, basal ganglia, and hypothalamus), Palaeocortex and Archaeocortex, and neocortex (the advanced mammalian brain is present then.) We then grow the ultra modern frontal neocortex found in higher apes and humans.

The information is all there for those who bother to study science and have the intelligence to understand it.

Unfortunately, I believe that most Americans have greater than 9th grade education. Those who reject the fact of evolution and continental drift with plate tectonics can only be considered stupid. In addition, Ron White (Texas Comedian) says, "you can't fix stuuupppiddddhh."

Those who think that thought, perception, reason, emotion, scepticism, and problem solving arise in an invisible non-material mumbo-jumbo spirit and not in the brain, are either stupid or mentally ill.

As a neuroscientist, I have mapped over a hundred different mental functions and their circuit regions of the brain with fMRI, PET Scanning, Tension Detrussor Imaging (fibre mapping), and TCMS (Transcortical Magnetic Brain stimulation with mapping of circuits). I know for a fact that thought, language, emotion, reason, analytical thinking, scepticism, complex/simple motor functions, sensory perception, autonomic functions (including erectile function), and autonomic functions such as blood pressure, body temperature, muscle tone, sweating, and feed-back maintenance of all organs... are all controlled by the animal (human) nervous system.

I can understand why many people cannot grasp these concepts and basic intelligence is a factor (sorry.) There are some if not millions of people whose brains are simply too ineffective to understand complex ideas. Therefore, they invent myths and superstitions leading to religion.

A goofy magical myth (Adam and Eve) is easier for some to believe than tackling the math of Chaos Theory.

Amhairghine

 

[Vile Atheist]

Evolution is not a theory.

Not that I disagree it is a fact, but why then is it called "The Theory of Evolution"?

 

[Nayana]

Honestly, why post this dumb **** without giving logical reasons as to why evolution is bull.

"The female egg contains the X-chromosome and the male sperm contains either an X-chromosome for the reproduction of a male or a Y-chromosome for the reproduction of a female."

Couldn't even get it the right way round what an idiot.

Be ashamed you even posted this, did you even read through it?

 

[David M]

Not that I disagree it is a fact, but why then is it called "The Theory of Evolution"?

Because the Theory of Evolution explains the facts of evolution.

Populations of living organisms evolve over time, that is an incontrevertable fact. It happens all the time, all around us.

The Theory of Evolution explains the mechanisms and history of evolution.

 

[Vile Atheist]

Because the Theory of Evolution explains the facts of evolution.

Populations of living organisms evolve over time, that is an incontrevertable fact. It happens all the time, all around us.

The Theory of Evolution explains the mechanisms and history of evolution.

Well then it's still a theory. A perfectly valid and well-supported one.

 

[nonbeliever_92]

Well then it's still a theory. A perfectly valid and well-supported one.

No, what he means is that the Theory of Evolution is an attempt to understand how the process of evolution goes about; how species evolve and what influences the evolution of organisms in the first place. Evolution itself is not a theory; it's a fact it's been observed, it's been tested it's been influenced and manipulated in a few number of organisms by humans.

Think of it this way, we have gravity, that is a fact. But there are two major theories concerning gravity, newtonian (I think it's that objects with mass are attracted to one another) and einstein's (which I believe is that things of greater mass bend space and time around themselves and gravity is really just the pressing of space upon objects of a weaker mass towards objects of greater mass). Both of which we aren't completely sure of if either is true.

 

[themadhair]

Both of which we aren't completely sure of if either is true.

We’re pretty sure general relativity is pretty accurate. It has generated some surprising predictions that have since been experimentally confirmed.

But you do raise an interesting point that some people miss. Evolutionary theory is much better understood and supported by evidence than gravitation theory.

 

[Valjean]

Obviously Amhairghine's using "theory" in the colloquial sense of conjecture or speculation, not the more rigorous scientific definition.

 

[DarkSun]

Honestly, why post this dumb **** without giving logical reasons as to why evolution is bull.

"The female egg contains the X-chromosome and the male sperm contains either an X-chromosome for the reproduction of a male or a Y-chromosome for the reproduction of a female."

Couldn't even get it the right way round what an idiot.

Be ashamed you even posted this, did you even read through it?

I'm not saying that the link he posted was wrong... but what you've quoted is actually true. It's the male gamete which decides the gender of an offspring.

 

[McBell]

Not that I disagree it is a fact, but why then is it called "The Theory of Evolution"?

Becausethere is more than one definition of the word "theory":

the·o·ry

1. A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.
2. The branch of a science or art consisting of its explanatory statements, accepted principles, and methods of analysis, as opposed to practice: a fine musician who had never studied theory.
3. A set of theorems that constitute a systematic view of a branch of mathematics.
4. Abstract reasoning; speculation: a decision based on experience rather than theory.
5. A belief or principle that guides action or assists comprehension or judgment: staked out the house on the theory that criminals usually return to the scene of the crime.
6. An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
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Science uses definitions one and two.
Those who try to argue that it is just a theory, thus making it untrue are using definition six.

 

[Vile Atheist]

Becausethere is more than one definition of the word "theory":

the·o·ry

1. A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.
2. The branch of a science or art consisting of its explanatory statements, accepted principles, and methods of analysis, as opposed to practice: a fine musician who had never studied theory.
3. A set of theorems that constitute a systematic view of a branch of mathematics.
4. Abstract reasoning; speculation: a decision based on experience rather than theory.
5. A belief or principle that guides action or assists comprehension or judgment: staked out the house on the theory that criminals usually return to the scene of the crime.
6. An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
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Science uses definitions one and two.
Those who try to argue that it is just a theory, thus making it untrue are using definition six.

Christ, I hate the English language.

 

[ragordon168]

even if we got god down here and he told you "yep its true evolution is correct. i started the universe at the big bang and just let it go from there."

so the big man has just stated that he made the big bang and evolution was a random occurence as god doesnt mess with his experiment (so really we couldnt get him here without interfering but anyway...)

 

[darkendless]

even if we got god down here and he told you "yep its true evolution is correct. i started the universe at the big bang and just let it go from there."

so the big man has just stated that he made the big bang and evolution was a random occurence as god doesnt mess with his experiment (so really we couldnt get him here without interfering but anyway...)

He won't come down. People with enough sense have a few too many bones to pick with him over his book and occurences under his name.

 

[gnostic]

I don't understand the believers/Christians/creationists fixation on the word "theory" associated with evolution, and thinking it is just "theory".

It should be known that when Darwin wrote down his manuscript of On The Origin Of Species, it wasn't just based mere ideas, concepts and brainstorming. Darwin actually did the researches, catalogued his discoveries and evidences, during his 5-year voyage (1831-1836) around the world of HMS Beagle, and his other researches before the 1859 publication of his book on evolution.

Darwin had already done some of his works, the scientific investigation from his discoveries, which other scientists since his death have validated, and proven it to be a scientific fact. So the theory of evolution is more than just a theory, but the explanation of his discoveries.

I think people are being wilfully ignorant if they don't understand that theory can also deal with the explanation of facts or discoveries, even more than just conceptualised ideas.

Einstein's brilliant theories on general relativity and special relativity had less proof than Darwin's evolution. Most of his (Einstein's) works weren't proven until a lot later, when the technology caught up with his theory.

 

[themadhair]

Einstein's brilliant theories on general relativity and special relativity had less proof than Darwin's evolution. Most of his (Einstein's) works weren't proven until a lot later, when the technology caught up with his theory.

Even today the technology is still catching up. Evolution is better supported than gravity, which is pretty surprising to folks for some reason.

 

[monta]

Even today the technology is still catching up. Evolution is better supported than gravity, which is pretty surprising to folks for some reason.

Not me g0 =

 

[Vile Atheist]

I can disprove gravity right now!!!! AIRPLANES!!!! You stupid atheists!!!!! BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!! BECAUSE AIRPLANES EXIST, OBVIOUSLY GOD EXISTS!!!!

 

[themadhair]

Not me g0 =

Count up all the pieces of evidence you can think of general relativity. Now count up all the pieces of evidence for biological evolution.

They are both large stacks, but the evolution stack is much larger.