Evolution is not observable admits Jerry Coyne

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

The question was: "So if you decide to start murdering people you wouldn't be doing anything wrong?" Since you won't say that murdering people is wrong I must assume that you see nothing wrong about going around murdering people.

That demonstrates your delusional state of mind.

 

[ArtieE]

Again with your nonsense term creationist,

Creationist is of course not a nonsense term. "Creationism is the religious belief that the Universe and life originated "from specific acts of divine creation."[2][3]" Wikipedi. A creationist is a person who believes in creationism.

You are just playing with the definition of words. You use the exact same logic as nazi's, communists, muslim terrorists, of making good and evil a fact, removing subjectivity.

So again if you decided to start going around murdering people you wouldn't be doing anything wrong?

 

[viole]

It's because people, by common sense and then sustained by scripture, accept the fact that freedom is real and relevant in the universe. So they see the complicated organization of an organism, and based on this understanding that freedom is real, they naturally and correctly identify that the organism is chosen to be way it is as a functional whole, intelligent design. Creationism validates both subjectivity and objectivity, it is a matter of opinion what the agency of a decision is, and a matter of fact what the result of the decision is. This is why creationists always talk of God, the creator, in terms of faith, which faith is a form of opinion.

Evolutionists think differently. First they say only materialistic explanations are valid, therefore subjectivity must be destroyed. That is why evolutionists deny freedom is real, so they can cancel out agency, and conceive of good and evil as fact.

Schoolbook for the Hitler Youth
A factual outlook on life.
https://archive.org/stream/NaziPrim...iPrimer-TheHitlerYouthManual#page/n5/mode/2up
The unlikeness of man (body spirit and soul are fact, therefore goodness and evil are fact)
https://archive.org/stream/NaziPrim...iPrimer-TheHitlerYouthManual#page/n7/mode/2up
The Christians above all reject the race idea.
https://archive.org/stream/NaziPrim...iPrimer-TheHitlerYouthManual#page/n9/mode/2up
The conclusion has been drawn that the types today have developed gradually out of older forms. ...The study,.....is called evolution...associated to Charles Darwin.
https://archive.org/stream/NaziPrim...Primer-TheHitlerYouthManual#page/n27/mode/2up

And today still the vast majority of evolution scientists conceive of love and hate as electrochemical processes in the brain, which can be established as fact, leaving no room for opinion whatsoever.

Of course there is room for opinions. I have opinions, even if they are still emergent properties of the underlying physics of my brain. Eaxctly like your opinions.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I only ever talk about subjectivity, and you accepted it. What you are saying in effect is that it makes no sense to you that an ideology, like nazism, contributes to people killing. Obviously nazism and communism occasion attrocities. And when you look more precisely at exactly how these ideologies function to sabotage conscience, it is that they make good and evil into a pseudoscientific fact, thereby removing subjectivity. So obviously you all arguing that love and hate are fact is establishing the main basis of the ideology which sabotages conscience, by removing subjecitivity.

I have no idea what you're talking about or how it applies to me.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Creationist is of course not a nonsense term. "Creationism is the religious belief that the Universe and life originated "from specific acts of divine creation."[2][3]" Wikipedi. A creationist is a person who believes in creationism.So again if you decided to start going around murdering people you wouldn't be doing anything wrong?

Delusional, lying etc.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

I have no idea what you're talking about or how it applies to me.

Then why don't you shut up if you have no idea?

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Of course there is room for opinions. I have opinions, even if they are still emergent properties of the underlying physics of my brain. Eaxctly like your opinions.

Ciao

- viole

Or in other words, opinions are facts.

 

[ArtieE]

Delusional, lying etc.

Who? You?

 

[ArtieE]

Or in other words, opinions are facts.

Or in the words of rational logical people, it's a fact that people have opinions.

 

[viole]

Or in other words, opinions are facts.

Yes, my opinion that opinions are facts, is a fact.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Then why don't you shut up if you have no idea?

Or you could stop ranting like an incomprehensible lunatic.

 

[The Hammer]

Or in other words, opinions are facts.

So your opinion that you are spewing about this thread is fact?

 

[The Hammer]

That demonstrates your delusional state of mind.

You realize that nothing you have posted in this thread makes any sort of sense, right? Like, at all? And I am religious... Devoutly, religious.

 

[leibowde84]

macroevolution doesn't occur. the reason i know this is because the earth is a living organism and has a consciousness, its not possible for it to evolve like this way because there is an ectoplasm. Did you know even computers and google are alive?

http://tedxtalks.ted.com/video/TEDxCARDIFF-Google-Consciousnes

Why would Google being alive support your claim that the earth is conscious. Do you even have any evidence to show that the earth is conscious? Because, that is an extraordinary claim.

 

[leibowde84]

So your opinion that you are spewing about this thread is fact?

Careful, he'll accuse you of rejecting subjectivity. Haha.

 

[The Hammer]

Careful, he'll accuse you of rejecting subjectivity. Haha.

I've noticed already. Infuriating. But it's whatever.

 

[leibowde84]

I've noticed already. Infuriating. But it's whatever.

I think it's a tad beyond "whatever" at this point. It's malicious.

 

[leibowde84]

Or in other words, opinions are facts.

Or in the words of rational logical people, it's a fact that people have opinions.

Is this what you've meant all along, Mohammad? I feel like it couldn't be, but it's an honest question.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

You realize that nothing you have posted in this thread makes any sort of sense, right? Like, at all? And I am religious... Devoutly, religious.

Since you don't choose about what the agency of any decision is, you have no belief, no faith.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Or you could stop ranting like an incomprehensible lunatic.

I provide a conceptual scheme integrating fact and opinion. I demonstrate how it works with examples from common discourse. My cards are all on the table. You've got nothing, which is why you resort to other tactics.

It is very obviously total nonsense that love and hate would be fact. They do not seem to be like a stone, or the circling of a planet, or any other thing in science, and any cursory investigation would show that the reality of them is not a fact.

It is very obvious that whether or not love and hate are real would be a matter of opinion, for what we like and dislike to be opinion.

You've got absolutely nothing going for you reason, logic and evidence wise to sustain this bizarre idea they are fact. Nobody ever presented a different conceptual scheme which validates both fact and opinion. It is all just one long diatribe of insults, stonewalling, pseudoscience, and whatever else.