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Evolution is not observable admits Jerry Coyne

ArtieE

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I can certainly lecture you with your evolutionist nonsense about love and hate as fact.
Are the perpetrators of these atrocities evolutionists or creationists? http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

"2015.12.11 (Kolofata, Cameroon) - Islamists strap a 13-year-old girl with explosives and send her into a house, killing at least eleven inside." Oh, these terrible evolutionists. Wish they were creationists instead. Oops...
 
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Mohammad Nur Syamsu

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Are the perpetrators of these atrocities evolutionists or creationists? http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

They might use the word creation, but they will not say to choose in reaching the conclusion about what the agency of a decision is. Daniel Dennett uses the term "free will", by which he means that he could not have done otherwise than he did. These muslims use the term "creation", Dennett uses the term "free will", it is all bogus once you look at the logic that they use with those words.

And in general I still regard muslim terrorists, nazi's, communists, much higher than armchair intellectuals such as yourself, who willingly and knowingly, with careless abandon, destroy the emotional life of ordinary people by undermining acceptance of the validity of subjectivity in the intellectual climate of opinion. The nazi's, communists, and muslim terrorists still have an air of despairing subjectivity about them. You on the other hand have an air of total destruction of all subjectivity. Intense evil is here and now on an internet forum, such as religious forums, and not just far away in the streets of some far away city, or some far away past.
 

ArtieE

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And in general I still regard muslim terrorists, nazi's, communists, much higher than armchair intellectuals such as yourself, who willingly and knowingly, with careless abandon, destroy the emotional life of ordinary people by undermining acceptance of the validity of subjectivity in the intellectual climate of opinion. The nazi's, communists, and muslim terrorists still have an air of despairing subjectivity about them. You on the other hand have an air of total destruction of all subjectivity. Intense evil is here and now on an internet forum, such as religious forums, and not far away in the streets of some far away city, or some far away past.
So it's not evil or wrong or immoral to "strap a 13-year-old girl with explosives and send her into a house, killing at least eleven inside" because in their subjective opinion what they are doing is good, right and moral?
 

Mohammad Nur Syamsu

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So it's not evil or wrong or immoral to "strap a 13-year-old girl with explosives and send her into a house, killing at least eleven inside" because in their subjective opinion what they are doing is good, right and moral?

It is not a fact that it is evil. And you very obviously cause these sorts of things to happen, by causing people not to have an emotional life, by ruling out subjectivity.
 

ArtieE

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It is not a fact that it is evil. And you very obviously cause these sorts of things to happen, by causing people not to have an emotional life, by ruling out subjectivity.
I cause theist creationist Muslim terrorists to "strap a 13-year-old girl with explosives and send her into a house, killing at least eleven inside" because I have caused these Muslims to not have an emotional life?
 

Mohammad Nur Syamsu

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I cause theist creationist Muslim terrorists to "strap a 13-year-old girl with explosives and send her into a house, killing at least eleven inside" because I have caused these Muslims to not have an emotional life?

That's right. The original sin is the knowlege of good and evil. And the other sins, such as killing, are based of the original sin. You help establish original sin in the intellectual climate of opinion. Other people will then take their ideas from that polluted intellectual climate of opinion, and not care one whit what they themselves, or the victim, or God, or anybody else feels, because subjectivity is held to be wrong.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
That's right. The original sin is the knowlege of good and evil. And the other sins, such as killing, are based of the original sin. You help establish original sin in the intellectual climate of opinion. Other people will then take their ideas from that polluted intellectual climate of opinion, and not care one whit what they themselves, or the victim, or God, or anybody else feels, because subjectivity is held to be wrong.
Um, what? You don't make any sense. o_O
 

Mohammad Nur Syamsu

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You must have me confused with someone else because that was my first post in this thread.

I only ever talk about subjectivity, and you accepted it. What you are saying in effect is that it makes no sense to you that an ideology, like nazism, contributes to people killing. Obviously nazism and communism occasion attrocities. And when you look more precisely at exactly how these ideologies function to sabotage conscience, it is that they make good and evil into a pseudoscientific fact, thereby removing subjectivity. So obviously you all arguing that love and hate are fact is establishing the main basis of the ideology which sabotages conscience, by removing subjecitivity.
 

Mohammad Nur Syamsu

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So if you decide to start murdering people you wouldn't be doing anything wrong?

There is no need to answer your nonsense questions. Your questioning just demonstrates that evolutionists are tenacious intellectuals, very determined in their effort to undermine subjectivity in general.
 

ArtieE

Well-Known Member
There is no need to answer your nonsense questions.
The question was: "So if you decide to start murdering people you wouldn't be doing anything wrong?" Since you won't say that murdering people is wrong I must assume that you see nothing wrong about going around murdering people.
 

Mohammad Nur Syamsu

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So not only evolutionists but theist Muslim religious creationists also ignore their own emotions and reject subjectivity? Then what's evolution got to do with it?

Again with your nonsense term creationist, same as Dennett who says free will means he could not have done otherwise. Believing must involve a choice, otherwise it is just not faith. And that choice must mean that they could have done otherwise.

You are just playing with the definition of words. You use the exact same logic as nazi's, communists, muslim terrorists, of making good and evil a fact, removing subjectivity.
 
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