Evolution is not observable admits Jerry Coyne

[LuisDantas]

Simple, evolution is incompatible with a benevolent and omnipotent God who knows what He wants.

Ciao

- viole

That is probably correct. And it is somewhat easier to avoid acknowledgement of evolution than it is to deny the existence of, say, stillborns and acephalic children.

Still, people do deal with acephaly while somehow still believing in God, so why not evolution as well?

 

[viole]

That is probably correct. And it is somewhat easier to avoid acknowledgement of evolution than it is to deny the existence of, say, stillborns and acephalic children.

Still, people do deal with acephaly while somehow still believing in God, so why not evolution as well?

Because acephaly is the product of sin. The fallen world. We are guilty of acephaly by sinning and introducing ruin in the world (being my old believer self, now, lol).

Evolution is different. We did not introduce it in the big scheme of creation, since one of its outputs is ourselves.

Ciao

- viole

 

[LuisDantas]

Gosh. Nothing personal, Viole, but... I don't think anyone should ever consider himself or herself guilty of acephaly.

It is a tragic enough reality in and of itself. There is truly no need to aggravate it in any way.

 

[viole]

Gosh. Nothing personal, Viole, but... I don't think anyone should ever consider himself or herself guilty of acephaly.

It is a tragic enough reality in and of itself. There is truly no need to aggravate it in any way.

Yet, this is standard Christian theology. We (or some other apples eating proto humans) are ultimately responsible for the evils and tragedies in the world. As absurd as it might seem. Corruption of the perfect world created by God has been introduced by human sin. By us. We are guilty.

That is what I was defending, when I was a Christian. And that is what I expect Christians would deploy to defend their belief in a perfectly good God, if they do not want to precipitate into major cognitive dissonances,

What other defense is feasible, if you are not ready to doubt your faith?

The fact that I am an atheist today is due to accepting the challenge of those cognitive dissonances, and that I resolved them in a very simple way.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Simple, evolution is incompatible with a benevolent and omnipotent God who knows what He wants.

Ciao

- viole

It's because people, by common sense and then sustained by scripture, accept the fact that freedom is real and relevant in the universe. So they see the complicated organization of an organism, and based on this understanding that freedom is real, they naturally and correctly identify that the organism is chosen to be way it is as a functional whole, intelligent design. Creationism validates both subjectivity and objectivity, it is a matter of opinion what the agency of a decision is, and a matter of fact what the result of the decision is. This is why creationists always talk of God, the creator, in terms of faith, which faith is a form of opinion.

Evolutionists think differently. First they say only materialistic explanations are valid, therefore subjectivity must be destroyed. That is why evolutionists deny freedom is real, so they can cancel out agency, and conceive of good and evil as fact.

Schoolbook for the Hitler Youth
A factual outlook on life.
https://archive.org/stream/NaziPrim...iPrimer-TheHitlerYouthManual#page/n5/mode/2up
The unlikeness of man (body spirit and soul are fact, therefore goodness and evil are fact)
https://archive.org/stream/NaziPrim...iPrimer-TheHitlerYouthManual#page/n7/mode/2up
The Christians above all reject the race idea.
https://archive.org/stream/NaziPrim...iPrimer-TheHitlerYouthManual#page/n9/mode/2up
The conclusion has been drawn that the types today have developed gradually out of older forms. ...The study,.....is called evolution...associated to Charles Darwin.
https://archive.org/stream/NaziPrim...Primer-TheHitlerYouthManual#page/n27/mode/2up

And today still the vast majority of evolution scientists conceive of love and hate as electrochemical processes in the brain, which can be established as fact, leaving no room for opinion whatsoever.

 

[ArtieE]

And today still the vast majority of evolution scientists conceive of love and hate as electrochemical processes in the brain, which can be established as fact, leaving no room for opinion whatsoever.

So "evolution scientists" can't have opinions? An "evolution scientist" can't say "in my opinion"?

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

So "evolution scientists" can't have opinions? An "evolution scientist" can't say "in my opinion"?

I am well versed in the art of evolutionist / atheists / materialist / crap reasoning.

- oooh this woman is beautiful, that is my opinion
- the beauty is a love for the way the woman looks
- love is an electrochemical process in the brain
- this electrochemical process can be identified as fact
- therefore the opinion that the woman is beautiful is a statement of fact about electrochemistry in the brain
- therefore opinion = fact

That is how evolutionary scientists think about things.

This is love according to evolution scientists.

Before the MRI evolutionists thought they could measure emotions by measuring facial expression.
C. Darwin - On the expression of emotion in man and animals.

 

[The Hammer]

I am well versed in the art of evolutionist / atheists / materialist / crap reasoning.

- oooh this woman is beautiful, that is my opinion
- the beauty is a love for the way the woman looks
- love is an electrochemical process in the brain
- this electrochemical process can be identified as fact
- therefore the opinion that the woman is beautiful is a statement of fact about electrochemistry in the brain
- therefore opinion = fact

That is how evolutionary scientists think about things.

This is love according to evolution scientists.

Before the MRI evolutionists thought they could measure emotions by measuring facial expression.
C. Darwin - On the expression of emotion in man and animals.

Emotion can be measured through facial expressions, as well as electrochemistry in the brain. Evolution is observable, the fact that we have antibiotic resistant diseases is proof of that. Evolution is a scientific theory, therefore it is proven, tested and observable fact.

 

[ArtieE]

I am well versed in the art of evolutionist / atheists / materialist / crap reasoning.

You mean "well versed in the art of evolutionist / atheists / theists / materialist / crap reasoning" don't you? After all, loads of theists also believe in evolution.

http://www.ipatrix.com/2862/do-only-atheists-believe-in-evolution/

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Emotion can be measured through facial expressions, as well as electrochemistry in the brain. Evolution is observable, the fact that we have antibiotic resistant diseases is proof of that. Evolution is a scientific theory, therefore it is proven, tested and observable fact.

It is certainly a fact that evolutionists, nazi's and communists assert that love and hate are fact.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

You mean "well versed in the art of evolutionist / atheists / theists / materialist / crap reasoning" don't you? After all, loads of theists also believe in evolution.

http://www.ipatrix.com/2862/do-only-atheists-believe-in-evolution/

Anybody who asserts love and hate are fact does not have faith, because faith is a form of opinion, not a form of factual certititude.

 

[Sunstone]

Anybody who asserts love and hate are fact does not have faith, because faith is a form of opinion, not a form of factual certititude.

That was truly helpful. Well, not really. But it's the holiday season. I thought it would be nice to be charitable. In truth, your explanation sucks.

 

[columbus]

It is certainly a fact that evolutionists, nazi's and communists assert that love and hate are fact.

No, this simply isn't true. You are so ignorant about science you are confusing neurology and evolution.
Different kinds of emotions and other mental processes can be studied by studying brain activity. This is a fact. It has nothing to do with speciation.
It is two different fields of study. You are plainly and completely wrong.
Tom

 

[ArtieE]

It is certainly a fact that evolutionists, nazi's and communists assert that love and hate are fact.

So you don't think it's a fact that there are such things as love and hate?

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

So you don't think it's a fact that there are such things as love and hate?

If it were true that love and hate are fact, then proctologists could also establish as fact who is an ***-hole.

 

[ArtieE]

If it were true that love and hate are fact

Can you elaborate? Everybody knows that it's a fact that love and hate exists even theists believing in evolution...

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

No, this simply isn't true. You are so ignorant about science you are confusing neurology and evolution.
Different kinds of emotions and other mental processes can be studied by studying brain activity. This is a fact. It has nothing to do with speciation.
It is two different fields of study. You are plainly and completely wrong.
Tom

As before, Darwin made the obvious link from evolution to emotions, so did every other evolutionist.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Can you elaborate? Everybody knows that it's a fact that love and hate exists even theists believing in evolution...

Love, hate, evolution, atoms, everything is fact, and no room is left for opinion. Therefore conscience is efficiently sabotaged.

 

[The Hammer]

Anybody who asserts love and hate are fact does not have faith, because faith is a form of opinion, not a form of factual certititude.

Uhhmmm.... Please, enlighten me on how these things are not proven fact.

 

[ArtieE]

Love, hate, evolution, atoms, everything is fact, and no room is left for opinion. Therefore conscience is efficiently sabotaged.

Is it a fact that we have a conscience or is that just your opinion?