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Evolution, maybe someone can explain?

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Interesting discovery of a bird skull reveals the intermediate brain evolution between bird like dinosaurs and modern birds, The evolution of the brain of modern birds took millions of years “Modern birds have some of the most advanced cognitive capabilities in the animal kingdom, comparable only with mammals,”


Bird brain from the age of dinosaurs reveals roots of avian intelligence


The researchers say their discovery, reported in the journal Nature, could be a sort of ‘Rosetta Stone’ for determining the evolutionary origins of the modern avian brain. The fossil fills a 70-million-year gap in our understanding of how the brains of birds evolved: between the 150-million-year-old Archaeopteryx, the earliest known bird-like dinosaur, and birds living today.
Navaornis had a larger cerebrum than Archaeopteryx, suggesting it had more advanced cognitive capabilities than the earliest bird-like dinosaurs. However, most areas of its brain, like the cerebellum, were less developed, suggesting that it hadn’t yet evolved the complex flight control mechanisms of modern birds.

“The brain structure of Navaornis is almost exactly intermediate between Archaeopteryx and modern birds – it was one of these moments in which the missing piece fits absolutely perfectly,” said co-lead author Dr Guillermo Navalón from Cambridge’s Department of Earth Sciences.
L-R: Archaeopteryx, Navaornis and Tangara seledon (a modern bird). Credit: Júlia d’Oliveira

Navaornis is named after William Nava, director of the Museu de Paleontologia de Marília in Brazil’s São Paolo State, who discovered the fossil in 2016 at a site in the neighbouring locality of Presidente Prudente. Tens of millions of years ago, this site was likely a dry area with slow-flowing creeks, which enabled the fossil’s exquisite preservation. This preservation allowed the researchers to use advanced micro-CT scanning technology to reconstruct the bird’s skull and brain in remarkable detail.

“This fossil is truly so one-of-a-kind that I was awestruck from the moment I first saw it to the moment I finished assembling all the skull bones and the brain, which lets us fully appreciate the anatomy of this early bird,” said Navalón.

“Modern birds have some of the most advanced cognitive capabilities in the animal kingdom, comparable only with mammals,” said Professor Daniel Field from Cambridge’s Department of Earth Sciences, senior author of the research. “But scientists have struggled to understand how and when the unique brains and remarkable intelligence of birds evolved—the field has been awaiting the discovery of a fossil exactly like this one.”
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Again you can't cite one single fact to support your contention that the tower of babel didn't exist!!!!

Incredible!!!!!

Let me help you get started; Nobody knows of a collapsed tower big enough to reach heaven in Babel.

Incredible!

I don't know if it existed or not. But I can sure point to many places it could been and can sure speculate on exactly what the story in the Bible mightta meant.

Your belief in science seems to be absolute.
have cited many references of archeology, geology, paleontology evolution and biology and you choose to reject and ignore academic science., a rather bizarre set of metaphysical beliefs to justify a religious agenda.
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
Again you can't cite one single fact to support your contention that the tower of babel didn't exist!!!!

Incredible!!!!!

Let me help you get started; Nobody knows of a collapsed tower big enough to reach heaven in Babel.

Incredible!

I don't know if it existed or not. But I can sure point to many places it could been and can sure speculate on exactly what the story in the Bible mightta meant.

Your belief in science seems to be absolute.
It is actually very simple, just as with your imaginary perfect people, experience told them that the sun would return and not sun was not something they wanted to contemplate, thus they invented gods to explain it and later invented towers to explain why not everybody spoke the same language.
Eventually this distilled via verbal stories to that book you consider often literal and thousands of other versions that you dismiss unless you can manufacture a similarity.

Ignorance of reality is not pretty.
 

cladking

Well-Known Member
Read Matthew 10:31
"You are worth more then many sparrows."

We must value human life and human comfort over all other life.

We must not waste resources and this especially applies to lives of God's creatures. Killing for no reason is sinful. It also applies to human resources and all things that could have been used to promote commonweal. Instead greed is the only standard of right and wrong.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
I seriously doubt you can tell me one single event that occurred before 2000 BC. I'm not talking about individual rulers or the construction of some monolith that has no more mention than the king coming to visit (Menkarre).

Yes, we forgot 1200 years of history because like everything important it was recorded in Ancient Language. Even the story of the tower of babel was recorded in Ancient Language which can not be translated into English. Much of the Bible comes from Ancient Language. Much ancient writings are attempts to translate Ancient Language.

After 2000 BC all history was recorded in one or another of the pidgin languages that sprang up starting about 3300 BC and used by people who weren't smart enough to learn Ancient Language or had poor verbal skills. By 2000 BC there were no longer enough Ancient Language speakers to operate the state and the official language was changed causing mayhem and resulting in history being recorded in pidgin languages which can be translated in most instances .

You are still going on about the Ancient Language that don’t exist anywhere exc in your wild imagination.

The stories of Creation, Flood and the Tower of Babel, from Genesis, were composed in the 6th century BCE. The first two (Creation & Flood) were adapted from the Babylonian myths (which came from older sources), while the Tower of Babel episode was invented by Jews living in Babylon at that time, most likely inspired by the ziggurat built in Babylon during the time of Nebuchadnezzar II.

There are no 40,000 years old “Ancient Language“. What you wrote, above, are total BS, and you are the only one who believe in this fictional nonsense.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
With no evidence and contrary to existing evidence there is no reason to believe.

It remains that when there is virtually zero evidence you have a problem. You cannot create the evidence for for an ancient Pentateuch when there was not even the Hebrew language. When you are considering the Genesis Creation account and Noah's Flood and the Tower of Babel you not only completely lack evidence. but the accounts are contrary to known history, Many other Kingdoms there is a great deal of evidence for their history lacking in the early history described in the Pentateuch.

Without the evidence you are arguing with faith only. In contrast the evidence for the sciences of evolution and the history of the earth is overwhelmingly documented by science, with the support of over 95%+ of scientists in the related fields and every major academic institutions in the world.
Many things have disappeared because of fires and other calamities. The library of Alexandra is one example. It was burned more than once and "evidence" obviously could have been lost. Because of people's opinions and lack of discernment among those prejudiced against those questioning scientific opinion, that's one reason why I won't be on a jury. :) (take care...)
 

Dimi95

Прaвославие!
Should I call a doctor? :)
It is probably because i have discussed certain fields much more then Evolution in my life.

I don't understand how he connects them.
That's the only thing i don't understand.
Used everything that i posses still the bridges that should connect are not there.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
It seems clear to me (obviously not everyone) that humans can be inhumane to other humans plus more said by evolutionists to be in the "animal" kingdom. Whether you think humans are animals or not, humans have OFTEN been vicious to each other plus more...but I believe that will not always be the case...Have a good one, y'all!
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Many things have disappeared because of fires and other calamities.
Many things survive and provide reason to support a real world and real evidence. For real evidence for evolution see post #2,401
The library of Alexandra is one example. It was burned more than once and "evidence" obviously could have been lost. Because of people's opinions and lack of discernment among those prejudiced against those questioning scientific opinion, that's one reason why I won't be on a jury. :) (take care...)
Enough has survived from many many sources that give a basis for the nature of human evolution and the natural history of the world.

You choose to believe in mythology with absolutely no evidence and maintain an intentional ignorance of science.
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
Darwin simply reasoned his way to a theory and our science is dependent on experiment.
Besides the bad sci-fi that preceded this, yes that is a beginning of a description, Darwin took many observations and reasoned his way to a hypothesis, wrote it down along with some more observations in support of his hypothesis, since then many have taken his hypothesis and experimented to see if it did in fact explain things. Fast forward to today and the experiments confirm most all of his hypothesis so well that with the modifications suggested by the numerous experiments we now refer to it as Darwin's theory in his honor.

Incredible isn't it?
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Again you can't cite one single fact to support your contention that the tower of babel didn't exist!!!!

Incredible!!!!!

Let me help you get started; Nobody knows of a collapsed tower big enough to reach heaven in Babel.

Incredible!
Not incredible at all. I do not believe in fairies, spaghetti monsters, Orcs, Chinese dragons, and one-eyed purple people eater either. They might exist, but there is no evidence such things exist. I prefer to avoid flights of fancy to believe in imaginative mythical things,
I don't know if it existed or not. But I can sure point to many places it could been and can sure speculate on exactly what the story in the Bible mightta meant.
You apparently do believe, because you have been claiming it existed for years.
Your belief in science seems to be absolute.
Nothing in science is absolute, but your belief in ancient mythology apparently is regardless of the lack of evidence objective evidence,
 
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Pogo

Well-Known Member
We must value human life and human comfort over all other life.

We must not waste resources and this especially applies to lives of God's creatures. Killing for no reason is sinful. It also applies to human resources and all things that could have been used to promote commonweal. Instead greed is the only standard of right and wrong.
In that light, do we expend resources on Trump and Putin?
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
Not incredible at all. I do not believe in fairies, spaghetti monsters, Orcs, Chinese dragons, and one-eyed purple people eater either. They might exist, but there is no evidence such things exist. I prefer to avoid flights of fancy to believe in imaginative mythical things,

You apparently do believe, because you have been claiming it existed for years.

Nothing in science is absolute, but your belief in ancient mythology apparently is regardless of the lack of evidence objective evidence,
I believe that in some metaphysics belief instantiates reality.
Anyhow, it sounds meta-philosphical.
 

cladking

Well-Known Member
Not incredible at all. I do not believe in fairies, spaghetti monsters, Orcs, Chinese dragons, and one-eyed purple people eater either. They might exist, but there is no evidence such things exist. I prefer to avoid flights of fancy to believe in imaginative mythical things,

No!!! You are dodging the question. You said there is "existing evidence" that there was no tower of babel and you have refused to support it. I did a better job of supporting it then you did.
 

leroy

Well-Known Member
First, that doesn't address my comment that you quoted. Read the words again:

I think I did addressed your comment, but this comment illustrates my point…………..Imagine if I my answer from now on is “I already answered your comment”? how would you react.

Imagine this conversation

1 YOU: you didn’t address my comment…..

2 Me: Yes I DID

3 You: Care to quote (copy paste) your answer

4 Me, No no because….. Some bunch of ridiculous excuses

Wouldn’t you say that I (me) is being dishonest and disingenuous? this has been my experience with you (plural)

well that is my impresion of what I think it happens in this type of conversations..............do you understand ? (I am not askign if you agree, I am just asking if you understand)

"How are we to understand you repeatedly having this experience with multiple posters and you not even considering the possibility that, assuming that you are not trolling - and I do; I don't think that about you - that you are blind to these answers and can never figure that out even with prompting and encouragement. Why aren't you curious that YOU might be the problem and have difficulty seeing that? THAT's the compelling mystery for me. Why not? If it were trolling or fear of being shown wrong, I would expect different answers from you that the ones we see above - more deceptive in the first case and more defensive in the latter."
I think my answer was clear………but let me try again…………..whiting your sea of ambiguous comments and unrelated claims I think I know what your alleged answer it . (so it is not an issue of me being blind)

I insist on you quoting (copy paste) your alleged answer just to avoid further excuses like “no that was not my answer” or “you are taking my comments out of context”

is my answer clear? am i missing something?

My point is that multiple posters have answered you followed by a series of posts where you say that you never saw an answer, ask it to be repeated which is done for you,
No that usually doesn’t happen That is the issue.............And I would say it´s our point of disagreement……………… but for future references if this ever happens again, all you have to do is quote your old answer and show to everybody that you really did answer

Second, your words don't make sense and aren't credible. They don't account for why you end up saying that you never saw the answer. Also, nobody seeks clarification to a comment without even mentioning seeing it much less repeating any problematic part of it.

Let me illustrate. Suppose none of the words I've written here had written - nothing to indicate that I had seen or understood your response to me above - but instead I wrote in a few days that you ignored the comment quoted in italics above rather than simply not addressing its salient points. You object and point out that you did give me a response and repeat it.

You repeat, "it is not that I don’t´see the alleged answer………… the truth is that I saw the alleged answer, saw flaws in that answer but before addressing the flaws I whant to make sure that it really is your answer (hence I ask you to quote the answer)……otherwise you would simply dismiss my rebuttal by saying “no that was not my answer"

More time passes, and I say that you never responded. You object again and refer me to the two posts with the answer, but later, I claim that you still haven't answered. Eventually, you become disgusted and say that you refuse to keep repeating this, at which time I accuse you of gaming and gaslighting me, of having never answered me, and now making up stories to save face.

That's what it's been like for me with you,
Well that has a very easy solution

Quote (copy paste) the question and the answer, if you do tha in future conversations you will

1 show that you were correct and that you did answer in the past

2 I would no longer have an excuse and I will have to deal with your answer

Sounds like a good deal to me……………so why wouldn’t you do it?

You have a perfect opportunity with @cladking who claism that you didn’t answer to his concerns, so why don’t you simply

1 quote his question

2 quote your answer

Why do you keep refusing to do that?


Why is that, Leroy? Why are you uninterested in the possibility that these other people can see something you don't and are trying to make you aware of it? How does that serve you?
I am not uninterested, but rather very interested, that Is why I keep asking people to quote their alleged answer

 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Darwin simply reasoned his way to a theory and our science is dependent on experiment.
Darwin's theory s a proposal based on the evidence he had. The sciences of evolution are basd on hundreds of years of experiments, research and discoveries that have confirm Darwin's science of Evolution beyond any doubt,
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
No!!! You are dodging the question. You said there is "existing evidence" that there was no tower of babel and you have refused to support it. I did a better job of supporting it then you did.
you did absolutely nothing, but make the claim of the existence of mythical thing.

Not incredible at all. I do not believe in fairies, spaghetti monsters, Orcs, Chinese dragons, and one-eyed purple people eater either. They might exist, but there is no evidence such things exist. I prefer to avoid flights of fancy to believe in imaginative mythical things,
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Many things survive and provide reason to support a real world and real evidence. For real evidence for evolution see post #2,401

Enough has survived from many many sources that give a basis for the nature of human evolution and the natural history of the world.

You choose to believe in mythology with absolutely no evidence and maintain an intentional ignorance of science.
Oh, and yes, I was thinking about you and your opinions as I was reading the Bible. The city of Athens still has plenty of buildings that were dedicated to gods, just as it is written in the Bible, You should know this. Furthermore the vestiges of the temple in Jerusalem are still there to be seen.
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
No!!! You are dodging the question. You said there is "existing evidence" that there was no tower of babel and you have refused to support it. I did a better job of supporting it then you did.
The evidence of no rubble pile anywhere, alternatively it was majicked into existence but only a few storytellers of a particular persuasion saw it and then it was majicked away. Tolkien wrote of similar things as did Bobby Henderson.
 
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