Evolution, maybe someone can explain?

[Pogo]

Education doesn't make any one person having "common sense".

Common sense comes from experiences in making decision that it is "somewhat" rational. Common sense is "somewhat" universal, where most people would have it, whether they are educated or not.

Somewhat isn't really good enough. It is boring.

However, common sense would exclude those who can think creatively, or those who can think outside the box. So the biggest problems with common sense, they would be stuck inside the box, as they lack imagination.

Geniuses are people who have gone beyond common sense.

As with a current argument about "survival of the fittest" "common sense" is another collection of words that has no intrinsically valuable meaning due to it's myriad understandings. At best it can be used as a starting point for attempting to clarifying how terms are used in different logics.

 

[cladking]

The world was flat and the sun went around it by common sense until some uncommon people figured out that it was closer to round and even later, it only appeared so since the earth was actually rotating like a top to cause this appearance.

Nonsense. This is what those guys with the fancy PHD's told you, isn't it? And you never questioned it because they also told you ancient people were all stinky footed bumpkins just like guys with PHD's. Never mind they couldn't have invented time without understanding basic astronomy or even built a 6 1/2 million ton clock/ calendar. How would they know "Momentum embraces all things" without definitions? Why couldn't ordinary people see the sun was round and the shadow of the earth on the moon is round? Anyone can look out at sea and see that it is round on a clear day. Insects and birds know the earth is spherical so ordinary people before devolution and the confusion of language could have seen it as well. It isn't rocket science to notice the the tide comes in with the moon and depict the retrograde motion of Mars on your cave wall.

We're confused and we reason in circles. No other life form does this and humans before 2000 BC didn't do it. That's why I call the "tower of babel" a speciation event. Confusion and the brocaas area arose at the same time in every individual and it still goes on today between 2 and 3 years of age. Without common sense homo sapiens couldn't have applied the "Theory of Change in Species" to animals and plants to create the agriculture that kept homo omnisciencis alive until science could be invented and people doubt both free will (the basis of life) and common sense (the basis of science)(and the basis of the application of science to the real world).

Kudos. You've dismissed ancient and modern science with a wave of the hand. You've dismissed life itself and replaced it with the beliefs of science and the prevailing paradigm. You've dismissed individuality and elevated Peers to God-like status. You've killed every living thing and replaced them with an abstraction you call "species". You've dismissed ordinary people and created a model of a world where the only giant climbers are approved by you personally.

 

[Pogo]

Nonsense. This is what those guys with the fancy PHD's told you, isn't it? And you never questioned it because they also told you ancient people were all stinky footed bumpkins just like guys with PHD's. Never mind they couldn't have invented time without understanding basic astronomy or even built a 6 1/2 million ton clock/ calendar

What? Nobody invented time as such, it was observed as a regularity of occurances and maybe marked by some 6.5 ton object as it is still marked by shadows of sticks.

. How would they know "Momentum embraces all things" without definitions?

Without definitions, I have no more idea what this means than any human ever has, I rather doubt it does have a meaning.

Why couldn't ordinary people see the sun was round and the shadow of the earth on the moon is round?

Who ever has questioned that the sun is round? That is also a sphere may be a newer conclusion, but please show us evidence of humans determining that the earth shadowed the sun.

Anyone can look out at sea and see that it is round on a clear day. Insects and birds know the earth is spherical so ordinary people before devolution and the confusion of language could have seen it as well. It isn't rocket science to notice the the tide comes in with the moon

Yes humans living on coastal areas eventually correlated the moon with tides but we still don't time moon shots by tides.

and depict the retrograde motion of Mars on your cave wall.

Now you are really out there, it wasn't till we had developed a mathematical understanding of orbits that we even realized there was a retrograde motion. Or can you present evidence beyond your personal only ancient language? Is this just another thing that you only know that you cannot communicate to anyone?

We're confused and we reason in circles. No other life form does this and humans before 2000 BC didn't do it. That's why I call the "tower of babel" a speciation event. Confusion and the brocaas area arose at the same time in every individual and it still goes on today between 2 and 3 years of age. Without common sense homo sapiens couldn't have applied the "Theory of Change in Species" to animals and plants to create the agriculture that kept homo omnisciencis alive until science could be invented and people doubt both free will (the basis of life) and common sense (the basis of science)(and the basis of the application of science to the real world).

Again, you have left the realm of conversation and devolved into a unintelligible pseudo scientific screed of sciency sounding words with no coherent connection between them.

It is not surprising that you are unable to convince others of the value of your observations because you are incapable of limiting your speech to mutually understandable ideas and are incapable of providing any evidence for your unusual ones.

I'm not surprised that even your most rational conclusions on whatever process you were working on were disregarded, you have not learned to communicate or alternatively, you are truly out to lunch.

Kudos. You've dismissed ancient and modern science with a wave of the hand. You've dismissed life itself and replaced it with the beliefs of science and the prevailing paradigm. You've dismissed individuality and elevated Peers to God-like status. You've killed every living thing and replaced them with an abstraction you call "species". You've dismissed ordinary people and created a model of a world where the only giant climbers are approved by you personally.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Are you aware of this tradition? Tomorrow is rabbit, rabbit, rabbit day: Rabbit rabbit rabbit - Wikipedia

My wife and a girlfriend of hers in California nicknamed Bunny write emails to one another every day. The other gal is into this tradition, so I remind my wife when it's the last day of the month as I did this morning so that she remembers to include that phrase in her note that she will write this afternoon after reading her friend's AM message, which the friend will see tomorrow morning.

Disagree. If our reality has a cause, it too is a part of nature. Whether than be a multiverse of a deity, if these things exist, they are natural. There is no justification for calling either of those things supernatural. Nature and reality are synonymous, and each can be defined as the collection of objects and processes that are causally connected, that is, can affect one another.

It works fine in predicting outcomes. That's how casinos make money. That's why the lottery is profitable for those running it. That's how insurers make money (until their statistics are no longer valid as with climate change and worsening extreme weather).

Casino's depend on accurate statistical analyses.

Since you chose to inject politics into this, it was a prominent conservative who declared bankruptcy TWICE owning casinos.

All of them. None were good enough to survive, and thus went extinct. If you want to see a partial list, you can start here: Lists of extinct species - Wikipedia

That's the table. If the object on the table is an unattended steak, the dog will get it from the table.

I'm guessing that you meant that an animal can't say table.

I define these words thusly: Truth is the quality that all facts and only facts possess, a fact being a linguistic string (sentence, paragraph) that accurately maps a piece of sensible reality.

If I say that I live five blocks north and three blocks east of the pier, and a walk from my front door of five blocks south and three blocks west gets me to the pier, then the claim is a fact derived from testing reality which (literally in this example) maps a piece of reality and is useful for accurately predicting outcomes. If I follow the directions, I will end up where I intended and expected.

There is no deduction without prior induction. When you solve a problem like, 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, ? you do so first by making a general rule (the nth element of the series is 2n), and then a deduction from it (the 6th element will be 12)

data -> induction (general rule) -> deduction (new datum)

No, it can't.

Observation that can be predicted is confirmation that the method of predicting is valid. Sometimes, that requires experimentation as with the Higgs particle, which had to wait for very large and powerful machines to be built and operated to perform experiments which confirmed Higgs's hypothesis. Thales and Einstein also made predictions (deductions) which, when confirmed, established that their inductions (a method for predicting eclipses and a theory that predicted gravitational lensing respectively) were valid.

That was great work of great value that should have a profound impact on something - I think.

Except that opinion, right?

I do. That's how we avoid walking into walls and closed doors. Unless they're glass (trigger alert: f-bombs):

Glad to be of service.

That is a new one on me. It hasn't worked here. Empty assertions and fantastical tales still make up most of the anti-science posts. I've brought no luck here.

I think I'm going to sit these threads out for a while. Perhaps for good. I've had enough of the nonsense and poor quality to last me a while. The information, reason and curtesy is all one-sided in my view and valid posts, requests, and information are ignored. Those cultivating the appearance of the possession of all and ultimate knowledge don't seem to care what others have to say. They appear to believe they know it all. Odd the tactics employed when coming from such a vaunted position. I have grave doubts that anyone denying science has any interest to learn and would rather pontificate and have their declarations accepted as fact without review, discussion or any thought at all.

I'm just tired of what I see as nonsense and petty behavior.