Evolution, maybe someone can explain?

[Valjean]

I don't know if you're in the clade of being a bug -- maybe yes, maybe not.

That doesn't address the question.

 

[YoursTrue]

Careful about comments like '. . . so knowledgeable.' Extreme sarcasm does not contribute to the dialogue,

Yes, but that is ot remotely the definition of a clade,

Actually no science cannot explain gravity directly. What we know of gravity is the effects of gravity


'Arguing from ignorance' is nonsense your continuing fallacy concerning your intentional ignorance of the sciences of evolution.

Yes, you are confirming your claim to 'know it all' by arguing in favor of ancient tribal texts, and claiming absolutely evolution is false like @cladking based having no knowledge of science.

Let me put it to you this way: I am happy in a sense that vaccines were discovered by scientists. On the other hand, I was glad to get the opinion of some claiming to be religious of various sorts and degrees to say in essence (1) that evolution is true beyond question and (2) that the Bible is all myths. So I am happy these came forth.

 

[YoursTrue]

Careful about comments like '. . . so knowledgeable.' Extreme sarcasm does not contribute to the dialogue,

Yes, but that is ot remotely the definition of a clade,

Actually no science cannot explain gravity directly. What we know of gravity is the effects of gravity


'Arguing from ignorance' is nonsense your continuing fallacy concerning your intentional ignorance of the sciences of evolution.

Yes, you are confirming your claim to 'know it all' by arguing in favor of ancient tribal texts, and claiming absolutely evolution is false like @cladking based having no knowledge of science.

Nope I never EVER said I know it all.

 

[YoursTrue]

That doesn't address the question.

What was the question again?

 

[YoursTrue]

Careful about comments like '. . . so knowledgeable.' Extreme sarcasm does not contribute to the dialogue,

Yes, but that is ot remotely the definition of a clade,

Actually no science cannot explain gravity directly. What we know of gravity is the effects of gravity


'Arguing from ignorance' is nonsense your continuing fallacy concerning your intentional ignorance of the sciences of evolution.

Yes, you are confirming your claim to 'know it all' by arguing in favor of ancient tribal texts, and claiming absolutely evolution is false like @cladking based having no knowledge of science.

What makes you think I was being sarcastic when I said you are so knowledgeable about evolution. Maybe you're not, but from your posts you certainly know quite a bit as to what scientists think.

 

[YoursTrue]

Oh and @shunyadragon from what I read about languages, seems reports are that the first writing systems occurred during what is called the Early Bronze Age, which is said to be 3300-2100 BCE. Proto-writing which did not record human language directly is quite different and said to come before that. Very interesting.

 

[cladking]

Gods don't exist, they were created in the stories of man.

Gods were real. They were palpable and studying them is translated as praying in our confused languages.

They were real because they were created in man's image of laws, patterns, and forces that were real. You can feel the wind blow and feel it dry your body. THESE were the gods who were tamed to build pyramids and represented on cave walls.

We are confused. Those people who named and controlled the gods were NOT confused.

The language and the way people still think was confused at the so called tower of babel. We are no less confused but science has made us more knowledgeable and more dangerous.

 

[Valjean]

What was the question again?

You brought up the "bugs remain bugs" claim, again. I'm asking how do you know? How would you recognize a bug-derived non-bug? What change(s) or degree of change would have to occur for a descendant to be recognized as non-bug?

 

[Dimi95]

Gods were real. They were palpable and studying them is translated as praying in our confused languages.

Cladking , Gods don't exist.
I am worried about you when i see your counter-arguments.
This is similar to Billy Carson s***.
I can already see that.

No evidence suggest gods.

What the evidence suggest is that some humans played with energy sources and they messed pretty bad.
To the stage that they played with human bodies in many ways.

They were real because they were created in man's image of laws, patterns, and forces that were real.

It's good that there are still signs that confirm that you are still among us.
They were created in the image of man.
You admit that.

You can feel the wind blow and feel it dry your body. THESE were the gods who were tamed to build pyramids and represented on cave walls.

I know that life comming out the natural way is evident , but nature building pyramids , i don't buy that.

We are confused. Those people who named and controlled the gods were NOT confused.

So you admit that ancient humans played with humans and tried to make god out of human?

The language and the way people still think was confused at the so called tower of babel. We are no less confused but science has made us more knowledgeable and more dangerous.

That ancient languages existed is one open discussion.
I don't deny that.

But again , the Library of Alexandria was burned.

That was probably the 'tower of Babel'.

There is no other 'tower of Babel' that i know of.

 

[Dimi95]

Gods were real.

Alexander was considered a god by many in his time.
People tried to make god out of him.
Because he had power.

Before his death, Alexander the Great summoned his generals and told them his wishes:
-The best doctors should carry his coffin;
-The wealth he has accumulated (money, gold, precious stones etc.) should be scattered along the procession to the cemetery; and
-His hands should be let loose, hanging outside the coffin for all to see!

This is what he said to one of his generals as the general requested that Alexander explain all of this.

-"I want the best doctors to carry my coffin to demonstrate that, in the face of death, even the best doctors in the world have no power to heal."
-"I want the road to be covered with my treasure so that everybody sees that material wealth acquired on earth, stays on earth."
-"I want my hands to swing in the wind, so that people understand that we come to this world empty handed and we leave this world empty handed after the most precious treasure of all is exhausted, and that is TIME."

So cladking , it is still the same answer.

There is literally nothing logical that suggests the existence of the gods that you are talking about.

Everything that exists as evidence suggest Evolution by Natural selection.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Oh, I amend that -- bugs may not be considered animals by scientists like yourself

Off course bugs are animals.
Seriously, how you can remain this ignorant?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Bugs remain bugs even if they change colors by genetics.

You know.... I would remind me of the thing I've been repeating since June 2021 every time you wrote this variation of "x remains x"... but clearly it is of no use.

Clearly when a person refuses to learn / is willfully ignorant, then no amount of correction is going to sink in.
The only possible result will be more of the same ignorance.

This is so pathetic.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The very fact that no species on earth acted human until 40,000 years ago suggests that a new species arose 40,000 years ago. The fact that our memory and history go back only to 2000 BC suggests that a new species arose ~2000 BC.

lol wtf

 

[Dimi95]

Oh and @shunyadragon from what I read about languages, seems reports are that the first writing systems occurred during what is called the Early Bronze Age, which is said to be 3300-2100 BCE. Proto-writing which did not record human language directly is quite different and said to come before that. Very interesting.

It is good that you realize that.

But there is one thing to note.
You are using low tricks in your answers lately.
I am not a person who will hide his opinions.

I hope that maybe the things that you did learn , they will open a new path for you.

Because what you have presented untill now is intellectual 'garbage'.

You should not be mad at me for writing you like this.
Rather you should let the 'garbage' go,and embrace knowledge instead.

And stop it with the answers about the death and who communicates with them , it is disrespectfull to comment other people's religious practices, and more disrespectfull to make fun of that kind od comments.

This discussion has been 'poisoned' many times with such comments..

And always the burden of proof is somehow switched to unreleated discussions.

However all logic leads to evidence and we always come back to the same conclusions as you can see in my previous answer.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Just wondering...but -- since you're so knowledgeable, doesn't everything alive in the form of animals come from a common ancestor?

Seems to be the sensible answer, given the evidence.

What do you think?

I try to - you?

Meantime, no scientist can explain gravity with any verifiication except to describe some of the effects of that force.

Yeah, scientists are just so useless - unless one actually looks at what science has achieved over the past several centuries. Religions? Oh yes, conflicts mostly.

And so far science cannot duplicate life in the form of the first cells then extending beyond to morph to other forms.

So will you quit mouthing off if and when they do?

Then excusing it by saying abiogenesis anyway isn't concerning evolution. Nonsense.

Just reality I'm afraid, and that is all that the TOE was proposed to do. Not get it? Oh, no surprise.

Yes, bugs remain bugs, gorillas remain gorillas.

Unless something interferes with such - like a change of environment so as to favour some over others, or changes in any genetic inheritance handed down to offspring, or changes arising from mating with a more alien species perhaps - which seemingly is possible.

And writing didn't start that long ago. Go prove otherwise.

Show us the evidence - but you will likely have to rely on science to do so.

Oh, but you know, there's no "proof" in science, so go with that anyway. science, so go with that anyway.

Religion - not so much evidence, apart from writings - go with it anyway. Yeah, that should work. Apart from the many religions conflicting and/or clashing but where scientific disagreements are usually resolved more peaceably. Science or Religion? Choose now!

 

[shunyadragon]

Let me put it to you this way: I am happy in a sense that vaccines were discovered by scientists. On the other hand, I was glad to get the opinion of some claiming to be religious of various sorts and degrees to say in essence (1) that evolution is true beyond question and (2) that the Bible is all myths. So I am happy these came forth.

The biggest problem with the above is your arrogant biased view of science claiming scientists believe "evolution is true beyond question." the reality is ALL science is subject to skepticism and question pending new knowledge and research. Even when Darwin originally proposed his theory he was skeptical, because of of the limited evidence at the time.

The problem with the reality of your belief and that of many if not most Christians, and Muslims is that your beliefs are not subject to skepticism or questions based on new knowledge and research,

False, academic science, archeology, and history do NOT consider the Bible all myths, The problem remains you consider the ancient text of the Bible all truth and factual history not subject to skepticism and question.

 

[shunyadragon]

Oh and @shunyadragon from what I read about languages, seems reports are that the first writing systems occurred during what is called the Early Bronze Age, which is said to be 3300-2100 BCE. Proto-writing which did not record human language directly is quite different and said to come before that. Very interesting.

One correction, proto=writing did record human knowledge at the time. It recorded records for farmers, shepherds and commerce of records of harvests and animals, and recorded elements of religious beliefs, Actually the primitive record keeping methods of farmers, shepherds and commerce continued after writing evolved among priest and government,

Writing evolved by need of people to communicate as civilization became more complex the need of writing developed.

 

[shunyadragon]

Nope I never EVER said I know it all.

Oh yes you do!!!! You believe your belief in the Bible is all there is to know for certain, and not subject to question based on new knowledge and research. This is the basis of your rejection of science.

 

[cladking]

lol wtf

One of your better arguments. I'm just devastated.

Don't ask for clarification of simple statements, just pretend they make no more sense than insults. What part of some species suddenly began acting human is tripping you up?

 

[shunyadragon]

One of your better arguments. I'm just devastated.

Don't ask for clarification of simple statements, just pretend they make no more sense than insults. What part of some species suddenly began acting human is tripping you up?

Humans in evolutionary history did not suddenly began acting human.