Evolution, maybe someone can explain?

[cladking]

But again , the Library of Alexandria was burned.

That was probably the 'tower of Babel'.

Interesting idea.

It has two enormous problems both of which are sufficient to show it false. First it occurred far too late to account for the fact that there history doesn't start until 2000 BC. Second is the destruction of all the books in one place would not cause human amnesia because there were many other books in many other places. The number of unique books that were destroyed was devastating but it didn't destroy all the books but all our memory is gone.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

One of your better arguments.

It wasn't an argument.
Just a general expression of amazement at the nonsensicalness of it all.
I don't even know how to respond to such drivel.

"lol wtf" was about the best I could come up with.

Don't ask for clarification of simple statements, just pretend they make no more sense than insults. What part of some species suddenly began acting human is tripping you up?

The part where it is completely insane to say such thing, knowing human history of civilization is much older then that (like at least another 8000 years) and human history in general even more (like 50 to 120 thousand).

The demonstrated ignorance of our human past is absolutely baffling.



2000 BC.... for crying out loud LOL
Egyptian civilization was already "old" by then. As was chinese civilization.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Interesting idea.

It has two enormous problems both of which are sufficient to show it false. First it occurred far too late to account for the fact that there history doesn't start until 2000 BC. Second is the destruction of all the books in one place would not cause human amnesia because there were many other books in many other places. The number of unique books that were destroyed was devastating but it didn't destroy all the books but all our memory is gone.

It sounds like it's primarily your memory that is affected.

 

[cladking]

Humans n evolutionary history did not suddenly began acting human.

I don't even know what "evolutionary history" is.

It's not my contention that some species suddenly started acting human, it is anthropology's. While I have serious doubts about this field the fact is THEY are the experts so take it up with them.

If they are correct then the species that suddenly arose is logically homo sapiens.

All I can do is go with the evidence in a framework of expert opinion. I've never stuck electrodes in brains either so I have no first hand experience of speech centers. I am using human knowledge to create a new theory that explains more evidence more simply. This is very much the nature of real science, simpler answers to more questions.

 

[YoursTrue]

Gods were real. They were palpable and studying them is translated as praying in our confused languages.

They were real because they were created in man's image of laws, patterns, and forces that were real. You can feel the wind blow and feel it dry your body. THESE were the gods who were tamed to build pyramids and represented on cave walls.

We are confused. Those people who named and controlled the gods were NOT confused.

The language and the way people still think was confused at the so called tower of babel. We are no less confused but science has made us more knowledgeable and more dangerous.

Pharaohs were considered as gods. Since I'm not in that venue or milieu, I can't quite figure it out but maybe historians have a better review of it. You think?

 

[cladking]

The City of Plovdiv has history and prehistory that dates for 8000 years.

Archaeologists have discovered fine pottery[citation needed] and objects of everyday life on Nebet Tepe from as early as the Chalcolithic era, showing that at the end of the 4th millennium BCE, there was already an established

Pottery is not "history". We must know more about specific events than that they produced some specific pot. You can't tell from looking at a pot what the potter was thinking nor his species.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I don't even know what "evolutionary history" is.

Uhu.

This is just another symptom of your problem.

It's not my contention that some species suddenly started acting human, it is anthropology's.

Nothing in anthropology says this.

While I have serious doubts about this field the fact is THEY are the experts so take it up with them.

There is no need to take up a strawman with anthropologists.
A strawman only requires being pointed out.

If they are correct then the species that suddenly arose is logically homo sapiens.

Homo sapiens has been roaming this planet for at least 150.000 years

All I can do is go with the evidence in a framework of expert opinion.

Then why don't you do that? Instead, you seem to be simply making stuff up.

I've never stuck electrodes in brains either so I have no first hand experience of speech centers. I am using human knowledge to create a new theory that explains more evidence more simply. This is very much the nature of real science, simpler answers to more questions.

Here's the thing: you lack the education and qualification to come up with theories to explain these things. You also very much lack knowledge of the facts involved, as you demonstrate with every post you make.

What you call "theories" are no more then silly brainfarts based on strawman, misrepresentations and a priori religious musings.

 

[YoursTrue]

I don't even know what "evolutionary history" is.

It's not my contention that some species suddenly started acting human, it is anthropology's. While I have serious doubts about this field the fact is THEY are the experts so take it up with them.

If they are correct then the species that suddenly arose is logically homo sapiens.

All I can do is go with the evidence in a framework of expert opinion. I've never stuck electrodes in brains either so I have no first hand experience of speech centers. I am using human knowledge to create a new theory that explains more evidence more simply. This is very much the nature of real science, simpler answers to more questions.

So far I've been told I'm ignorant and of course I don't know that much about the science and classifications) but I really DO understand the theory. Not that I know it all but it's really perfectly understandable...I don't agree with it, of course, but if I go along with it it's perfectly understandable, no problem. That there are certain "missing pieces" is perfectly ok with them. They pretend and/or posit as if their opinions are correct, maybe -- until "further evidence" comes to light...in my opinion, of course.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Archaeologists have discovered fine pottery[citation needed] and objects of everyday life on Nebet Tepe from as early as the Chalcolithic era, showing that at the end of the 4th millennium BCE, there was already an established

Pottery is not "history". We must know more about specific events than that they produced some specific pot. You can't tell from looking at a pot what the potter was thinking nor his species.

Mere pottery can actually tell us a great many things about a people.

 

[cladking]

What do you think that human kind did not existed before 2000BCE?
Just because the evidence was burned?
I am sorry , but not everything is burned.
We can still see the obvious evidemce.

Just as we extrapolate the nature of science to see all of reality we extrapolate history from after the tower of babel to apply to more ancient times.

Homo sapiens are dead. If there were any history we could read the symbols on cave walls. We would know that agriculture was invented using artificial bottlenecks and that pyramids were built with linear funiculars.

Instead we are confused still.

 

[shunyadragon]

I don't even know what "evolutionary history" is.

Billions of years of evoution

It's not my contention that some species suddenly started acting human, it is anthropology's. While I have serious doubts about this field the fact is THEY are the experts so take it up with them.

No it is not anthropology, evolution or any science, It is your warped egocentric rejection of science. Humans were acting human creating detailed symbolic and realistic art work going back to the early Neolithic

If they are correct then the species that suddenly arose is logically homo sapiens.

No logic here, just objective veritable evidence humans began acting like humans over 300,000 years ago.

All I can do is go with the evidence in a framework of expert opinion.

Nothing to do with science which you reject, Just your personal opinion,

I've never stuck electrodes in brains either so I have no first hand experience of speech centers. I am using human knowledge to create a new theory that explains more evidence more simply. This is very much the nature of real science, simpler answers to more questions.

Your rejection of science proceeds any consideration of human knowledge based on your opinion, not objective verifiable evidence which is the foundation of evolution which you reject,

 

[cladking]

This is just another symptom of your problem.

But you can't tell me because you know I'll rip it apart like a wolf with a steak.

You know I define history as what transpired after the tower of babel and I don't believe in Evolution so you'll pretend my ignorance rather than your meaningless definitions.

 

[Dimi95]

Archaeologists have discovered fine pottery[citation needed] and objects of everyday life on Nebet Tepe from as early as the Chalcolithic era, showing that at the end of the 4th millennium BCE, there was already an established

Pottery is not "history". We must know more about specific events than that they produced some specific pot. You can't tell from looking at a pot what the potter was thinking nor his species.

Friend , like you are using wikipedia.
Not that wikipedia is always wrong , but i can edit that right now.

It's not a merit in any sense.

It does not demonstrate anything.

I don't want to answer your last responce about what might be an interesting idea.

We don't look on things like that.

If that was so , then every theory that has fruits should go in deep water because of the way you explained it.

 

[shunyadragon]

Just as we extrapolate the nature of science to see all of reality we extrapolate history from after the tower of babel to apply to more ancient times.

The Tower of Babel is Biblical mythology

Homo sapiens are dead. If there were any history we could read the symbols on cave walls. We would know that agriculture was invented using artificial bottlenecks and that pyramids were built with linear funiculars.

Instead we are confused still.

Yes you are intentionally ignorant and confused rejecting science in favor of Biblical and Egyptian mythology.

 

[shunyadragon]

But you can't tell me because you know I'll rip it apart like a wolf with a steak.

You know I define history as what transpired after the tower of babel and I don't believe in Evolution so you'll pretend my ignorance rather than your meaningless definitions.

Again your rejection of science in favor of Biblical mythology.

 

[cladking]

Billions of years of evoution

Thank you.

Of course this meant only the "fossil record" until modern times and now includes some genetics.

"Humans in evolutionary history did not suddenly began acting human." is what you said. There is no fossil and no genome that supports this statement. It is unsupportable.

 

[Dimi95]

But you can't tell me because you know I'll rip it apart like a wolf with a steak.

You haven't done that.
Not when Evolution is the matter of discussion.

You know I define history as what transpired after the tower of babel and I don't believe in Evolution so you'll pretend my ignorance rather than your meaningless definitions.

This is clear evidence that you don't understand what possibly the tower of babel means.
You mix two things that don't go together in any sense.
And regardless of that , the evolution of human language shows gradual change.
We see this change everywere , but you don't.
You only see the tower of babel.

History of human kind existed before the tower of babel and that's it.

 

[cladking]

Nothing in anthropology says this.

Is there any field in which you don't know everything?

This is relatively new research. This is what I follow "new". I first heard of it back around 2005 IMS.

Like with every field I don't know. I don't know much of anything but feed me data and I spit out hypotheses and predictions.

 

[shunyadragon]

Thank you.

Of course this meant only the "fossil record" until modern times and now includes some genetics.

"Humans in evolutionary history did not suddenly began acting human." is what you said. There is no fossil and no genome that supports this statement. It is unsupportable.

This exemplifies your intentional ignorance of science based on Biblical and Egyptian mythology

 

[shunyadragon]

You haven't done that.
Not when Evolution is the matter of discussion.


This is clear evidence that you don't understand what possibly the tower of babel means.
You mix two things that don't go together in any sense.
And regardless of that , the evolution of human language shows gradual change.
We see this change everywere , but you don't.
You only see the tower of babel.

History of human kind existed before the tower of babel and that's it.

Except . . . the Tower of Babel never existed in reality or symbolically.