Evolution My ToE

[dad]

That was not what you asked for. Can't you follow your own arguments?

It was the context, focus.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Resorted to general gripes against the Almighty already?

No, we are pointing out how you make God not "Almighty". You portray your God as weak and incompetent. You blaspheme your God on a regular basis. We can't since to us he does not exist. We are discussing your version of God, not any real life version of God.

 

[dad]

Scotsmen do not put sugar on their porridge...

Nor does every man in a dress have to be Scottish!

 

[dad]

No, we are pointing out how you make God not "Almighty". You portray your God as weak and incompetent. You blaspheme your God on a regular basis. We can't since to us he does not exist. We are discussing your version of God, not any real life version of God.

Forgive me if I don't reply to demon talk that makes no sense.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It was the context, focus.

You changed the context with this post:

"Chapter and verse where Jesus told someone to beat anyone to death? Oh..right, that is vicious slander."

 

[Subduction Zone]

Forgive me if I don't reply to demon talk that makes no sense.

So you don't listen to yourself? I guess that explains quite a few of your posts.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Nothing to do with slavery or promoting it. Capital punishment existed. Look at some countries today where it doesn't!

Okay, let's see which countries still have capital punishment ...

China
Iran
Saudia Arabia
Iraq
Pakistan
Egypt
Somalia
USA
Jordan
Singapore

And let's see which countries have abolished capital punishment ....

Oh, it's every other country in the world.


What was your point?

 

[shunyadragon]

Name where it is promoted rather than dealt with as a fact of life?

The fact of life of the Hebrews is the laws and mandates of God. It is described as being mandated by God as far as foreign captured slaves. The references have been already provided many times.

 

[McBell]

Where is the part it declares shopping at major dept stores that may use slave labor evil? You take the general precepts, such as to love one another, not to oppress the poor, etc etc.

You claim God does not support slavery but cannot offer up a single verse to support it?

 

[ecco]

If the Witnesses don't dispute that the earth is ~4 billion years old and that life has existed on it for over 3 billion years, plus you all believe that Jehovah hasn't tinkered with creation since the very beginning when He created the first "kinds", why would the existence of transitional fossils from ~550 million years ago be problematic? As you noted yourself, no matter what species we find in the Cambrian (or just prior), you believe they came about "without Jehovah's guidance", do you not? I mean, the "Cambrian explosion" didn't take place until over 3 billion years after the earth and its first life had been created, so if Jehovah only acted in the very beginning and everything after the beginning happened on its own, why would the existence of transitional fossils around that time be a point of contention for you? You don't believe Jehovah was still tinkering and creating species some 3 billion years after He first created everything, do you?

Good questions. I can't wait to see the answers.

 

[night912]

Chapter and verse where Jesus told someone to beat anyone to death? Oh..right, that is vicious slander.

I have no idea what you you're trying to get at.

 

[night912]

No. He did not totally take over, that was just an intervention as was Sodom and Gomorrah. When He returns to bring His kingdom, the rule of man is over.

step in
verb

stepped in; stepping in; steps in

1a: to intervene in an affair or dispute

So apparently he did do it.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

They've been shown to you.
Also, on several occasions, I've told you exactly where you can go to find them.

Enough with the disingeuousness.

I’m disingenuous? Yeah, right. I’m just reporting the facts.

There are no obvious precursors, as I stated here Evolution My ToE. Even the Darwinists will tell you that.

The only organisms that seem close, are called “ambiguous”....

“Precursors to Trilobites
Trilobites make a sudden appearance in the fossil record. There appears to be a considerable evolutionary gap from possible earlier precursors such as Spriggina floundersi, which is found in the 550 million year old Ediacaran-age rocks of Australia, and thus predates trilobites by some 30 million years. The heat of the Cambrian sea may have contributed to trilobite emergence.[11] However evidence does suggest that significant diversification had already occurred before trilobites were preserved in the fossil record, allowing for the "sudden" appearance of diverse trilobite groups with complex derived characteristics (e.g. eyes).[1][12]

Morphological similarities between trilobites and earlier arthropod-like creatures such as Spriggina[13], Parvancorina, and other "trilobitomorphs" of the Ediacaran period of the Precambrian are ambiguous enough to make a detailed analysis of their ancestry complex.[14][15] Morphological similarities between early trilobites and other Cambrian arthropods (e.g. the Burgess shale fauna and the Maotianshan shales fauna) make analysis of ancestral relationships difficult as well.[16]

Early trilobites
Early trilobites show all the features of the trilobite group as a whole; transitional or ancestral forms showing or combining the features of trilobites with other groups (e.g. early arthropods) do not seem to exist.[17]”

Excerpt from Trilobite - Wikipedia

It’s sad how gullible so many are, swallowing the company line ...not us.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Is a nonsense claim, as you already know from repeating it too many times.

Check the evidence...it’s not nonsense, it’s fact.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

If someone else wants to go around the same fallacious circles with you, they can. I'm not interested.

But I have to wonder why you and the other Witnesses here argue so adamantly that "transitional fossils" don't exist. Earlier in this thread, another Witness posted what basically amounts to the Watchmaker belief, where "God setup things at the beginning, to work according to his will", and "God fixed the earth in place, and designed living things to act according to the instructions and design. Environmental factors play a role in the way(s) that they may change. God has acted perhaps on two occasions, that would have effected change, according to the Bible."

In another thread, you stated "the Genesis account doesn’t say that God created every species. God created “kinds,” which apparently corresponds to the family taxon level", and (emphasis mine) "After Eden, things have developed gradually, without Jehovah ‘s guidance"

Also, you and the other Witnesses here have been quite clear that you are not young-earth creationists.

So putting all that together, your repeated denial of transitional forms in, and/or prior to, the Cambrian makes no sense. If the Witnesses don't dispute that the earth is ~4 billion years old and that life has existed on it for over 3 billion years, plus you all believe that Jehovah hasn't tinkered with creation since the very beginning when He created the first "kinds", why would the existence of transitional fossils from ~550 million years ago be problematic? As you noted yourself, no matter what species we find in the Cambrian (or just prior), you believe they came about "without Jehovah's guidance", do you not? I mean, the "Cambrian explosion" didn't take place until over 3 billion years after the earth and its first life had been created, so if Jehovah only acted in the very beginning and everything after the beginning happened on its own, why would the existence of transitional fossils around that time be a point of contention for you? You don't believe Jehovah was still tinkering and creating species some 3 billion years after He first created everything, do you?

Did you miss the “after Eden” part? Apparently.

 

[Jose Fly]

Did you miss the “after Eden” part? Apparently.

No, I didn't. But your reply leads to a couple of other questions. First, about when was "Eden"? Once you clarify that, we can move on to the others.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Incompleteness is simply a matter of the fossil evidence is at present incomplete.

No, it’s not. At least, not to the degree you hope. That was my point, here:
Evolution My ToE

Still puzzled at your puzzling statement 'Trilobites are not bacteria.'

Well, to some Darwinists here, humans are fish. So, by that reasoning, they must think trilobites are bacteria.

 

[John53]

Dishonest. Show chapter and verse where OT tells us to beat people to death?

Psalm 137:9

 

[Subduction Zone]

I’m disingenuous? Yeah, right. I’m just reporting the facts.

There are no obvious precursors, as I stated here Evolution My ToE. Even the Darwinists will tell you that.

The only organisms that seem close, are called “ambiguous”....

“Precursors to Trilobites
Trilobites make a sudden appearance in the fossil record. There appears to be a considerable evolutionary gap from possible earlier precursors such as Spriggina floundersi, which is found in the 550 million year old Ediacaran-age rocks of Australia, and thus predates trilobites by some 30 million years. The heat of the Cambrian sea may have contributed to trilobite emergence.[11] However evidence does suggest that significant diversification had already occurred before trilobites were preserved in the fossil record, allowing for the "sudden" appearance of diverse trilobite groups with complex derived characteristics (e.g. eyes).[1][12]

Morphological similarities between trilobites and earlier arthropod-like creatures such as Spriggina[13], Parvancorina, and other "trilobitomorphs" of the Ediacaran period of the Precambrian are ambiguous enough to make a detailed analysis of their ancestry complex.[14][15] Morphological similarities between early trilobites and other Cambrian arthropods (e.g. the Burgess shale fauna and the Maotianshan shales fauna) make analysis of ancestral relationships difficult as well.[16]

Early trilobites
Early trilobites show all the features of the trilobite group as a whole; transitional or ancestral forms showing or combining the features of trilobites with other groups (e.g. early arthropods) do not seem to exist.[17]”

Excerpt from Trilobite - Wikipedia

It’s sad how gullible so many are, swallowing the company line ...not us.

Do you realize why there are no "clear precursors"? If you did you would realize why it was not a problem.

 

[Audie]

If someone else wants to go around the same fallacious circles with you, they can. I'm not interested.

But I have to wonder why you and the other Witnesses here argue so adamantly that "transitional fossils" don't exist. Earlier in this thread, another Witness posted what basically amounts to the Watchmaker belief, where "God setup things at the beginning, to work according to his will", and "God fixed the earth in place, and designed living things to act according to the instructions and design. Environmental factors play a role in the way(s) that they may change. God has acted perhaps on two occasions, that would have effected change, according to the Bible."

In another thread, you stated "the Genesis account doesn’t say that God created every species. God created “kinds,” which apparently corresponds to the family taxon level", and (emphasis mine) "After Eden, things have developed gradually, without Jehovah ‘s guidance"

Also, you and the other Witnesses here have been quite clear that you are not young-earth creationists.

So putting all that together, your repeated denial of transitional forms in, and/or prior to, the Cambrian makes no sense. If the Witnesses don't dispute that the earth is ~4 billion years old and that life has existed on it for over 3 billion years, plus you all believe that Jehovah hasn't tinkered with creation since the very beginning when He created the first "kinds", why would the existence of transitional fossils from ~550 million years ago be problematic? As you noted yourself, no matter what species we find in the Cambrian (or just prior), you believe they came about "without Jehovah's guidance", do you not? I mean, the "Cambrian explosion" didn't take place until over 3 billion years after the earth and its first life had been created, so if Jehovah only acted in the very beginning and everything after the beginning happened on its own, why would the existence of transitional fossils around that time be a point of contention for you? You don't believe Jehovah was still tinkering and creating species some 3 billion years after He first created everything, do you?

"What a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive"

The creos add an extra twist as their efforts are only
for self deception, it certainly does not work on
educated folk.