Evolution My ToE

[dad]

Yeah I've been told that many times. What I haven't been given is EVIDENCE.


You think a lot of things.
What can you demonstrate?


The Bible is the claim, not the evidence.

Oh, healed people are evidence that spirits "did something?" How did you demonstrate that? And what "something" did they do?
How do you demonstrate that a person's life was actually influenced by God, rather than just their own feelings about God?



What you keep ignoring is that people throughout history have believed in many thousands of different gods. Do you believe in all of those thousands of gods, simply because people said they had experiences with them? Do you believe Thor creates lightning bolts? Do you believe in UFO abductions? Yeti sightings? Do you just believe everything everybody tells you? People believing in something, doesn't just make it true.


Yeah, and guess what else electricity is? Detectable and measurable!


What history shows, is that people willingly attribute events to "spiritual phenomena" but have yet to demonstrate it. History also shows that humans have created all kinds of gods, spirits, ghosts, etc. to explain things they did not understand. Notice though, that as science progresses, less and less things are attributed to gods and spirits, as we gain a better understanding of how the world around us works. We no longer believe that Thor creates lightning bolts because we now understand how lightning is generated all by itself, without the help of gods or spirits.


So here we are again, staring at this silly claim that we must accept every claim until someone can disprove it. Surely you do not go about your life wasting your time like that.

Again, my position is, you are telling me some thing exists ... do you have evidence indicating that thing exists? And if there isn't any evidence for it, why believe it?


Try addressing what I said. Thanks.

Yes, bad spirits and good spirits exist. The miracles and prophecies and changed lives etc etc etc are all evidence, regardless of the fact that science is inot able to say anything about it one way or the other.

 

[dad]

Mary would not be the first woman to claim that she did not sleep with anyone, and Joseph would not be the first man to buy that claim.

So when asked about the atounding prophesies of the bible, you insinuated that they were con jobs written after the fact. Now, you insinuate that the mother of Jesus was a liar and woman of ill repute.

Baseless slander and blasphemy.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yes, bad spirits and good spirits exist. The miracles and prophecies and changed lives etc etc etc are all evidence, regardless of the fact that science is inot able to say anything about it one way or the other.

Aaaaaand .... we're back to square one again. Just like that.

Let us know when you can demonstrate any of your claims.

 

[SkepticThinker]

So when asked about the atounding prophesies of the bible, you insinuated that they were con jobs written after the fact. Now, you insinuate that the mother of Jesus was a liar and woman of ill repute.

Baseless slander and blasphemy.

Can one slander fictional characters?
And who cares about blasphemy? What is this, the Dark Ages?

 

[dad]

Is that your serious answer?

How do we know that my uncle's cancer is in remission?
How do we know that my urinary tract infection was cleared up after taking antibiotics?
How do we know that we're pregnant before the pregnancy starts to show?

You don't really think such changes in peoples' lives are undetectable by science, right?

Science is only able to see certain aspects of the big picture. Let's say, in some cases, that a bad spirit or spirits affected a person such as in Jesus' day. If a medical team were there, and imaged the poor guy's brain or some such, they might see some changes there that they thought caused it. However, the question arises, did the evil spirits cause the changes? If science looked at Lazurus who was raised from the dead, they would have said that all the very healthy tissue and organs tells us that he could not have been dead or even sick! Yet the Spirit of God had just affected him big time!

 

[dad]

That is true. They think it's possible that life flew in from outer space. Or...maybe it didn't.

They don't know in other words. But all their thoughts involve godless scenarios. Their bag of tricks contains nothing else.

 

[dad]

Can one slander fictional characters?
And who cares about blasphemy? What is this, the Dark Ages?

Can one wave away all history and declare anything fictional that they wish?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Correct.
Yes, your point is that you wish to group all fables and beliefs together except your own.

How many would we have if there were two angels and two apples on a table? It all depends on what the math represents.


Yes. Just as I accept that the nature that exists is really here now. That does not mean that a new nature will not exist one day in the kingdom of God, or that a different nature may not have existed in the days of Adam. Don't conflate reality with just a small part of reality. Just because there is more to reality than science knows, does not mean that in many cases (except origin issues that are flights of fancy) they deal in reality. They just deal in a small part of it exclusively.
Most people of all ages have accepted that they do for many reasons.

No. I said YOU cannot prove the existence of spirits, science cannot. The rest of us CAN and do and did. We just exclude science.
False, not when it comes to scientific claims.

Evolution of life on earth is a pipe dream with no support whatsoever except belief. The process of evolving is a God-given trait, so naturally, we can observe that. What you cannot do is tie that into the origin of life, or evolution of man as the reason we are here.

God gave Mary the demo. You cannot demonstrate it true or false with science. I can demonstrate it true because Jesus fulfilled the prophecies and rose from the dead, and works in the lives of all who ask. Science cannot, I can!


All of creation for starters. The experiences of my life and most people of all time for another.

I do believe in spirits actually, good and bad. If any spirits in history affected people I would not rule out that they may be real. Bad, in most cases, but real.

And I point out that science is small and covers only a little part of the universe we live in. In fact, their claims about where it came from and what it is like are a joke.
Crazy talk.

They do. The results of spiritual influence are all around us.
You know almost nothing about evolution. That is the problem. Evolution is God-given and part of life for His creatures. Name one discovery that has to do with your imaginary relatives between you and flatworms? You can't because there is not one.
Utter rubbish. People claimed stuff long before science existed.

There is no 'our'. There is reality. You just have access to part of it. That is not the collective reality of God's people! That is just a selective part of reality that waves away most of it!



To discuss the nature of life one cannot avoid it! Why are you alluding to flatworm relatives, and Banana brethren!? (TOE teaches plants and simple life forms are early forms of life from which we came, correct?)

Let me know when you're able to have a rational discussion where you actually address the points being made. Otherwise, I'm wasting my time going in endless circles with you and your empty claims.

Oh yeah, and whenever the day comes when you finally have some evidence for spirits who influence reality but don't leave any detectable traces of said influencing on reality (LOL!), be sure to let me know. I won't be holding my breath on that one, mainly because it doesn't make any sense. Like a lot of the things you've said.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So when asked about the atounding prophesies of the bible, you insinuated that they were con jobs written after the fact. Now, you insinuate that the mother of Jesus was a liar and woman of ill repute.

Baseless slander and blasphemy.

No, you believe a book of myths and fairy tales. Your claims of "atounding prophesies" has already been refuted. And we really do not know anything about the birth of Jesus. Unreliable fairy tales are unreliable. She probably was not a woman of ill repute. By the way sleeping around does not make one so. What is odd is that you are so ready to attack people that you believe in.

Do you remember how your prophecy claims failed? You could not even discuss them they were so weak. The virgin birth myth is based upon a mistranslation of a verse taken out of context that describes an event that would have happened five hundred years before the birth of Jesus. It does not describe his birth. You forgot that no one in his lifetime called him "Manny".

 

[Subduction Zone]

Can one wave away all history and declare anything fictional that they wish?

What "history"? History refutes the Nativity of Luke.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Science is only able to see certain aspects of the big picture. Let's say, in some cases, that a bad spirit or spirits affected a person such as in Jesus' day. If a medical team were there, and imaged the poor guy's brain or some such, they might see some changes there that they thought caused it. However, the question arises, did the evil spirits cause the changes? If science looked at Lazurus who was raised from the dead, they would have said that all the very healthy tissue and organs tells us that he could not have been dead or even sick! Yet the Spirit of God had just affected him big time!

Why would we assume or imagine that spirits do anything, given that we have no evidence indicating that they even exist in the first place? We have absolutely no reason to jump to that as an explanation.
I can claim my broken toe was healed by fairies, but that doesn't make it so. I'd have to first demonstrate that fairies exist and are capable of healing broken toes.Otherwise, why on earth would anybody jump to the conclusion that fairies healed me?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Can one wave away all history and declare anything fictional that they wish?

What history?

 

[Subduction Zone]

What history?

Pick and choose history. If it agrees with the Bible he is fine with it. The endless history that disagrees with the Bible he does not accept.

 

[McBell]

Can one wave away all history and declare anything fictional that they wish?

Yes you do.

 

[dad]

Oh yeah, and whenever the day comes when you finally have some evidence for spirits who influence reality but don't leave any detectable traces of said influencing on reality (LOL!), be sure to let me know.

That day is every day for me.
In one example in history, Mary got evidence that what Gabriel told her was true. It was observed. If science was there, it would say it was impossible.

 

[dad]

No, you believe a book of myths and fairy tales. Your claims of "atounding prophesies" has already been refuted. And we really do not know anything about the birth of Jesus. Unreliable fairy tales are unreliable. She probably was not a woman of ill repute. By the way sleeping around does not make one so. What is odd is that you are so ready to attack people that you believe in.

Do you remember how your prophecy claims failed? You could not even discuss them they were so weak. The virgin birth myth is based upon a mistranslation of a verse taken out of context that describes an event that would have happened five hundred years before the birth of Jesus. It does not describe his birth. You forgot that no one in his lifetime called him "Manny".

Foolish old wives' tales and delusionary misconceptions about Scripture have no merit or worth.

I notice you fled the science issue you pretended to have evidence for.
The question is how do you know that the time anything takes in the fishbowl (including decay) represents what time is like in deep space? Offering a list of times that decay takes in the fishbowl is not going to do it.

Happy fleeing.

 

[dad]

What "history"? History refutes the Nativity of Luke.

No.

 

[dad]

Why would we assume or imagine that spirits do anything, given that we have no evidence indicating that they even exist in the first place? We have absolutely no reason to jump to that as an explanation.

History and Scripture are records of encounters with spirits and spiritual things.

In every case, people affected had evidence! Elijah had evidence of the food dropped by ravens in his belly! Mary had evidence of what the angel said in her belly!

I can claim my broken toe was healed by fairies, but that doesn't make it so.

Not as far as science goes.

 

[dad]

What history?

History such as that from Egypt. Spirit beings abounded!

 

[dad]

Yes you do.

I do not deny the spirits in history. Do you?