Evolution not God

[Audie]

Whatever I would imagine, would be just my imagination, why would it matter? Only thing that matters is what really happened and we both don't know it. You can make all kind of scenarios, but in the end of the day, it is just purely your imagination. And you imagination is not enough in a court, when people or God is judged.

Anything to avoid the fact that your wonderful
pure and perfect God was in charge and directed an atrocity of the first magnitude.

A crime for which a court of law would find your
" god" and his minions guilty and direct the harshest punishments.

Chridtians, so called, who find no fault would
be the sort to stand by applauding or join in the massacre.

Kind of likeTalibans. Guess why I don't have high
regard for any such " Christians" nor any
use for their sorry religion.
Or is" guessing " out of bounds for you as itvrequirescimagination or (gasp) thinking?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Did you study the religious and sexual practices of the people of that time? Ever wonder why they didn't do the same thing for every group of people?

Can you expand on that?

 

[Kenny]

Can you expand on that?

If one is looking for answers, one looks at the community as a whole. Like an archaeologist, what are their habits, their religion, their practices. In some cases, they find a baby's skeletal remains at a corner of a home suggesting child sacrifice. Was bestiality common. Were they prone to massacring neighboring communities. What happens to families when wars are common and males are killed. Many factors need to be addressed.

Let's take bestiality, for an example. Would that affect the health of a community at large? How would it affect it? Who would it affect?

Things like unto these

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

If one is looking for answers, one looks at the community as a whole. Like an archaeologist, what are their habits, their religion, their practices. In some cases, they find a baby's skeletal remains at a corner of a home suggesting child sacrifice. Was bestiality common. Were they prone to massacring neighboring communities. What happens to families when wars are common and males are killed. Many factors need to be addressed.

Let's take bestiality, for an example. Would that affect the health of a community at large? How would it affect it? Who would it affect?

Things like unto these

Not really totally relevant as due to the difference of in and out groups. But yes, it is a part of it.
But in general I don't view early Jews as special, just because they were Jews.
It is common in war to take slaves and differentiate between who you take. In fact Putin is charged with that in a modern sense.

 

[Kenny]

Not really totally relevant as due to the difference of in and out groups. But yes, it is a part of it.
But in general I don't view early Jews as special, just because they were Jews.
It is common in war to take slaves and differentiate between who you take. In fact Putin is charged with that in a modern sense.

I'm ok with us coming to two different conclusions as we look at the same evidence. Like going to two doctors and getting two different conclusions for the same problem.

 

[Muffled]

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What provides the moral for humanity's standard is evolution. Notice I said provides a standard, not a absolute.

They way I see it working is that "right" choices means survival for the species. Those that survive pass down through culture and genetics those correct choices. Those choices wrong enough to cause early demise don't get passed down. Over time, the human brain gets wired via culture and genetics to feel certain choices are correct and other choices are wrong. So we get an inherent feeling for what is right and what is wrong.

Now this is far from perfect since that only requirement is that it only requires it to be correct enough to allow survival until one is able to procreate.

In the past, these feeling of right and wrong get encoded into various religions. However not all religious morality comes from this evolutionary process. Individuals get inspired by whatever experiences they have and add to this religious moral code. Both ideas which are successful to survival and ideas which are not overly detrimental to survival get passed down to future generations.

There is a fairly wide range of what we as a species find as morally acceptable since as long as an idea is not overly detrimental to the survival of the species, it gets passed on.

I see my morals as partly evolved, partly inspired by my life experiences. Some even passed on to me by other people's concepts of God however there was no need for an actual God to declare absolute moral law.

So killing people off you don't like is survival of the fittest and your idea of a good standard?

 

[Nakosis]

So killing people off you don't like is survival of the fittest and your idea of a good standard?

Not my idea.
But, might have been your idea if you had come from a long line of conquers.

 

[Jose Fly]

Did you study the religious and sexual practices of the people of that time? Ever wonder why they didn't do the same thing for every group of people?

Are you just hoping to dodge the question until I give up and stop asking? Because I'm having flashbacks to when I grew up in a fundamentalist church, and that sort of behavior from church leaders was a big part of me never being a Christian.

So how about just being open and honest here and answer the question?

 

[Audie]

So killing people off you don't like is survival of the fittest and your idea of a good standard?

No it's gods idea for survival of the
ones he happrns to like.

 

[Audie]

Are you just hoping to dodge the question until I give up and stop asking? Because I'm having flashbacks to when I grew up in a fundamentalist church, and that sort of behavior from church leaders was a big part of me never being a Christian.

So how about just being open and honest here and answer the question?

Note "anything to avoid", above.

 

[Jose Fly]

Note "anything to avoid", above.

By the time I was ~10 years old, I'd already realized that questions were like kryptonite for fundamentalist Christians. Took me a bit longer to realize that it's the same with data.

 

[Kenny]

Are you just hoping to dodge the question until I give up and stop asking? Because I'm having flashbacks to when I grew up in a fundamentalist church, and that sort of behavior from church leaders was a big part of me never being a Christian.

So how about just being open and honest here and answer the question?

Ok... please remind me just what the question was... trying to go back until I find it will be too much time. I'm sorry for your experience.

 

[nPeace]

Ok... please remind me just what the question was... trying to go back until I find it will be too much time. I'm sorry for your experience.

I think you did well in your response, considering that any answer you give, would simply be called apologetics.
Your words apply here. 'Not feeding a lazy man is another way to help?'
An old adage - Give a man a fish. You feed him for a day. Teach him how to fish. You feed him for life.
I'd go with, 'teach him how to fish'.
However, if you try and realize he is incapable of learning, then maybe you have to feed him.

 

[1213]

Try being honest and owning your words.

Are you disagreeing with that the idea of "sex slaves" comes from readers mind, if it is not in the text?

 

[Audie]

Are you disagreeing with that the idea of "sex slaves" comes from readers mind, if it is not in the text?

I see you are not honest enough to repeat your original quote.

 

[Kenny]

I think you did well in your response, considering that any answer you give, would simply be called apologetics.
Your words apply here. 'Not feeding a lazy man is another way to help?'
An old adage - Give a man a fish. You feed him for a day. Teach him how to fish. You feed him for life.
I'd go with, 'teach him how to fish'.
However, if you try and realize he is incapable of learning, then maybe you have to feed him.

You said it much better than I did.

 

[Jose Fly]

Ok... please remind me just what the question was... trying to go back until I find it will be too much time. I'm sorry for your experience.

If there was nothing at all sexual about Israelites taking virgin girls as spoils of war, why did they only take girls (while killing all the virgin boys)?

 

[1213]

I see you are not honest enough to repeat your original quote.

So, is the problem with the word "dirty mind"? Is it not dirty, if "sex slaves" comes to your mind when you read the Bible? If not, then I am sorry. Perhaps it is possible to get that idea without having a dirty mind. Nevertheless, the "sex slave" is not written in the Bible, so it must come from outside of the Bible.

 

[Kenny]

If there was nothing at all sexual about Israelites taking virgin girls as spoils of war, why did they only take girls (while killing all the virgin boys)?

Again, look at culture, religious practices, sexual practices et al. And then ask yourself the question, if it was "all about sex", why didn't they make it consistent with all the peoples the conquered?

 

[Audie]

So, is the problem with the word "dirty mind"? Is it not dirty, if "sex slaves" comes to your mind when you read the Bible? If not, then I am sorry. Perhaps it is possible to get that idea without having a dirty mind. Nevertheless, the "sex slave" is not written in the Bible, so it must come from outside of the Bible.

"If/ then I apologize" is a shabby non apology as I'd think
any adult would know.

" Jesus had to relieve himself" is not in the Bible. We all have intestines.
Or sane people think so
That its not in the bible, though, means Jesus didnt.
By your clean minded thinkin'.