Evolution of Human

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

Dude...really?
Sounds like a fascication with Frankenstien.

There is a difference. All things living or dead are made up of nonliving material. You wouldn't say carbon or oxygen or even water is alive but no "living" thing can exist without them.

Nonliving producing living and dead producing living are not at all the same thing.

 

[Thief]

There is a difference. All things living or dead are made up of nonliving material. You wouldn't say carbon or oxygen or even water is alive but no "living" thing can exist without them.

Nonliving producing living and dead producing living are not at all the same thing.

Ok....
I would say it differently.
Life in this world has chemical requirements.
But chemistry is not the source of the 'life'.

I think of the body as a means of exposing a soul to the creation without directly splitting a spirit.

Look at it from the Creator's view....yes you can.
If you want to be in more than one place you can.
But that is only your reflection.
You can speak.....but the return is only your echo.

You have only your spirit and the substance you created.

The answer to your solitude.....Man.
A blend of spirit and substance.
Each occasion will become unique.

No more echo.

Of course chemistry has rules.
It must change.
And in our case....it will fail.
That doesn't mean your spirit dies with your body.
It can....but it doesn't have to.

 

[FearGod]

But you are biological, from "inanimate" objects. By the way, there are no "inanimate" things in this world. Not even the particles or quarks are ever still. They're always moving.

We aren't speaking philosophy,just be honest in your discussion,just look to the planets around us,they are from the nature but they got no life and God made it clear that he made life possible with water.

I do believe... that the world is alive. You believe it's dead and only God is alive. I believe the world is alive and is God.

What you believe in is nonsense,for example you can't say that life exists in Mars.

 

[Ouroboros]

We aren't speaking philosophy,just be honest in your discussion,just look to the planets around us,they are from the nature but they got no life and God made it clear that he made life possible with water.

Water is H2O. It's dead.

What you believe in is nonsense,for example you can't say that life exists in Mars.

You're missing the point.

And I don't think you'll understand my view regardless of how much time I would take to explain it.

 

[FearGod]

Water is H2O. It's dead.

Very good you just begin to understand,so from that dead thing which is H2O, God created things (which supposed to be a product of the nature) to be alive,can you do the same ?

You're missing the point.

And I don't think you'll understand my view regardless of how much time I would take to explain it.

I can see nothing to be explained,of course it is very hard for you to elucidate one point of nonsense.

 

[Ouroboros]

Very good you just begin to understand,so from that dead thing which is H2O, God created things (which supposed to be a product of the nature) to be alive,can you do the same ?

So water is God. Without water you're dead.

I can see nothing to be explained,of course it is very hard for you to elucidate one point of nonsense.

Thank you. I didn't resort to mockery or calling you anything. So thank you for being arrogant.

You're now on ignore. After all, it's just "nonsense" that I'm talking. So we're done.

 

[FearGod]

So water is God. Without water you're dead.

God made things to be alive with water.

How that to be understood that God is the water

Thank you. I didn't resort to mockery or calling you anything. So thank you for being arrogant.

You're now on ignore.

You are starting to insult me with direct words.

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

Ok....
I would say it differently.
Life in this world has chemical requirements.
But chemistry is not the source of the 'life'.

I think of the body as a means of exposing a soul to the creation without directly splitting a spirit.

Look at it from the Creator's view....yes you can.
If you want to be in more than one place you can.
But that is only your reflection.
You can speak.....but the return is only your echo.

You have only your spirit and the substance you created.

The answer to your solitude.....Man.
A blend of spirit and substance.
Each occasion will become unique.

No more echo.

Of course chemistry has rules.
It must change.
And in our case....it will fail.
That doesn't mean your spirit dies with your body.
It can....but it doesn't have to.

Chemistry is the source of life. A dog is just as much alive as you are.

 

[Ouroboros]

Chemistry is the source of life. A dog is just as much alive as you are.

That's the big question. Are dogs alive or not? If they're not, then what's animating them? If they are alive, then is it because they have a spirit? If they don't have a spirit but are alive, then life has nothing to do with the spirit.

And the question can go on for plants. Are they alive or not? Is bacteria alive or not? Are prokaryotes alive or not? Is virus alive or not? If virus is alive, then we have to ask ourselves if proteins are alive or not. Are sugar, phosphorus, carbon, hydrogen, etc (the components of DNA) alive or not?

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

That's the big question. Are dogs alive or not? If they're not, then what's animating them? If they are alive, then is it because they have a spirit? If they don't have a spirit but are alive, then life has nothing to do with the spirit.

And the question can go on for plants. Are they alive or not? Is bacteria alive or not? Are prokaryotes alive or not? Is virus alive or not? If virus is alive, then we have to ask ourselves if proteins are alive or not. Are sugar, phosphorus, carbon, hydrogen, etc (the components of DNA) alive or not?

It's why the non-living and living line isn't as clear cut as people think. And indeed the merit of something's life is by it's value. Bacteria are living but we don't care about them

The thing is that others will argue that we are special, which is fine but at what point do we become special? At conception? After conception? Are people who suffer some form of mental retardation not full of spirit? Is there spirit weaker?

 

[outhouse]

God made things to be alive with water.

.

You have nothing to base that on.

It is a completely unsubstantiated personal opinion, faith based and nothing more.

 

[FearGod]

You have nothing to base that on.

It is a completely unsubstantiated personal opinion, faith based and nothing more.

You don't agree that water is essential for all forms of life.

Since NASA studies both Earth and other planets, what we learn from Earth's oceans can help us make sense of clues to the watery pasts of other planets. Water is essential at the molecular level to moving life beyond its basic building blocks; thus, searches for extraterrestrial life usually involve a search for liquid water.

Reference: Beyond Our Planet - NASA Science

 

[Gjallarhorn]

You don't agree that water is essential for all forms of life.

Reference: Beyond Our Planet - NASA Science

It's the "God made" bit he's objecting to. Islamic catch-up science doesn't really factor in.

 

[FearGod]

It's the "God made" bit he's objecting to. Islamic catch-up science doesn't really factor in.

And the "unconscious nature" can't bring or made life

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

And the "unconscious nature" can't bring or made life

Why not? And why can the spiritual?

 

[FearGod]

Why not? And why can the spiritual?

Because it is a fact,try to bring life to a piece of stone,if you could then no one will believe in God anymore.

 

[Parsimony]

Because it is a fact,try to bring life to a piece of stone,if you could then no one will believe in God anymore.

I doubt that. A lot of people who accept abiogenesis believe in a god of some type or another.

 

[Thief]

Chemistry is the source of life. A dog is just as much alive as you are.

No....not quite.
Chemistry by itself is dead.

Try thinking of it this way.
If a spirit having the will to do so could make something....move.
The substance would respond to the touch of mind....not the hand.
(telekinetic?)

But if the spirit doesn't have the will....the desire might be there.....
but the substance won't respond.

How do you train a new spirit?
Give it the power and turn it loose?
That would be chaos.
So many spirits, each having desire of any kind, and all in conflict.

Perhaps a blend between substance and spirit?......such as Man.
This situation allows a few years as we learn some restraint of desire.

Maybe....just maybe....you can learn what it takes to be a righteous soul
before you die.

If not....maybe....just maybe....the angelic will be waiting with sword in hand.
After all...
Heaven is a place of peace.
I believe that peace is guarded.
They can't let just any spirit in the Door.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Because it is a fact,try to bring life to a piece of stone,if you could then no one will believe in God anymore.

It isn't fact. Its your biased opinion.

If we could simply turn rocks into life then it would upset the whole dynamic of our biology and reduce the complexity of the theories which people spend their whole lives learning and researching to find the smallest clues as to how it happened.

Its not as simply as throwing out jazz hands in the correct sequence to transmute a bit of rock (and what type of rock? Granite? Marble? Sandstone?) into a living being. And then we have the difficult objective of defining what is "life" and what isn't. For example at what point is chemistry life rather than simply complex chemistry?

All of these are questions that you simply throw out the window and expect the argument to still be valid.

 

[Thief]

It isn't fact. Its your biased opinion.

If we could simply turn rocks into life then it would upset the whole dynamic of our biology and reduce the complexity of the theories which people spend their whole lives learning and researching to find the smallest clues as to how it happened.

Its not as simply as throwing out jazz hands in the correct sequence to transmute a bit of rock (and what type of rock? Granite? Marble? Sandstone?) into a living being. And then we have the difficult objective of defining what is "life" and what isn't. For example at what point is chemistry life rather than simply complex chemistry?

All of these are questions that you simply throw out the window and expect the argument to still be valid.

How about turning stone to bread?
or maybe just move it?