Evolution theory turns colleges into hellholes of depression

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Since we can measure anger and observe it is objective fact people have emotions. You fail to link the view on anger with stones or water, non-sequitur. I said good and evil are perspectives so are subjective. I already linked studies proving my point while you have linked nothing. Even what you linked does not even support your views since you do not read your own sources or you are incapable of understanding your sources. Come back with evidence if you are going to complain about sources supporting an opposing view to your own. Otherwise all you are provide is unsubstantiated statements which I can freely dismiss.

It's whatever, what I say about how subjectivity works is correct. Which means you are just providing evidence of rejection of subjectivity, by making emotions an issue of fact. And providing evidence that this rejection of subjectivity is very tenacious, very strong, by insisting on it, even after it has been explained again and again that it does not work.

It is very easy to see how an environment with such social horrors of people telling you as fact what your emotions are could be conducive to depression. It's absolutely evil! It is "hell in the highschool" indeed.

And we can see all the evolutionists supporting this idea, which is because evolution theory destroys all knowledge about how things are chosen.

The support of muslims and supposed creationists for subjectivity is also very weak. One has to really accept as plain scientific fact that freedom is real, while religionists rather tend to "believe" freedom is real, but don't accept it as certain fact also.

The support for the validity of subjectivity is minimal all round. We are just living on God's mercy, doing the absolute minimum in acknowdging each other's emotions, as well as each individual acknowledging their own emotions minimally.

 

[Starloop]

More College Freshmen Report Having Felt Depressed
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/05/us/more-college-freshmen-report-having-felt-depressed.html?_r=0

The prediction of creationists in the early 20th century of evolution theory bringing "hell to the highschool", turns out true.

With evolution theory you are creating a study environment in which any knowledge about how things are chosen in the universe is discarded, and with that any subjectivity about what made the decisions turn out the way they do is discarded as well. No room is provided for subjectivity at all, hence students become depressed.

Most significantly at Harvard, where the predominance of atheism is the largest. That hellhole where 50 percent of students become seriously depressed during their studentcareer, should be closed down as a health hazard for mental health.

Do you think this has anything to do with whether it's true or not? Don't you think that the truth can sometimes make people unhappy?

Anyway -- I don't see how evolution can cause depression.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Do you think this has anything to do with whether it's true or not? Don't you think that the truth can sometimes make people unhappy?

Anyway -- I don't see how evolution can cause depression.

Evolution theory destroys all knowledge about how things are chosen in the universe, subjectivity depends on this knowledge, thereby evolution theory also destroys subjectivity.

Can you see how an environment where people regard what emotions you have as an issue of fact, as depressing?

Not acknowleging your true emotions which cannot be measured at all. A sherade of phoniness.

 

[Etritonakin]

 

[seb]

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man have apple in their throat, and snake between their legs; if they get scared of death and start pleasuring (they let their penis in their heart) they will not be reborn as a man; if they let snake in heart they will grow breast, and be reborn as women; that is how reincarnation works
Reborn as women because they let their penis in their heart?

What?

Ciao

- viole

Plato said that man are made out of 3 parts: brain (thinking), heart (emotions), penis (all lower reptile, dinosaur instincts); he even made this famous alegory, where brain is a chariot man guiding other two parts as horses (emotions and instincts); when I see all these "rich" man, snorting coke with luxury girls around them; I know what is happening: all their lower instincts moved up into their heart; they want to spend all their life lusting and pleasuring themselves

if I tell them: you will be reborn as a woman, your dinosaur instincts are going up, right into your heart, they will just laugh at them; so I feel sorry for them; it is like in Oddyseia of greek poet Homer, where main hero has to conquer his heart to stay as a man; so I just observe them and feel sorry for them

you know this song brother, of Johny Cash, "when the man comes around"? he says in the song

Whoever is unjust, let him be unjust still.
Whoever is righteous, let him be righteous still.
Whoever is filthy, let him be filthy still.
Listen to the words long written down,
When the man comes around.

let rich man spend life pleasuring themselves like snakes; let them move their penis up, that is all I say

 

[Sunstone]

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man have apple in their throat, and snake between their legs; if they get scared of death and start pleasuring (they let their penis in their heart) they will not be reborn as a man; if they let snake in heart they will grow breast, and be reborn as women; that is how reincarnation works
Reborn as women because they let their penis in their heart?

What?

Ciao

- viole

Plato said that man are made out of 3 parts: brain (thinking), heart (emotions), penis (all lower reptile, dinosaur instincts); he even made this famous alegory, where brain is a chariot man guiding other two parts as horses (emotions and instincts); when I see all these "rich" man, snorting coke with luxury girls around them; I know what is happening: all their lower instincts moved up into their heart; they want to spend all their life lusting and pleasuring themselves

if I tell them: you will be reborn as a woman, your dinosaur instincts are going up, right into your heart, they will just laugh at them; so I feel sorry for them; it is like in Oddyseia of greek poet Homer, where main hero has to conquer his heart to stay as a man; so I just observe them and feel sorry for them

you know this song brother, of Johny Cash, "when the man comes around"? he says in the song

Whoever is unjust, let him be unjust still.
Whoever is righteous, let him be righteous still.
Whoever is filthy, let him be filthy still.
Listen to the words long written down,
When the man comes around.

let rich man spend life pleasuring themselves like snakes; let them move their penis up, that is all I say

I didn't think RF's wackiest thread could get any wackier. I was wrong.

 

[Shad]

It's whatever, what I say about how subjectivity works is correct. Which means you are just providing evidence of rejection of subjectivity, by making emotions an issue of fact. And providing evidence that this rejection of subjectivity is very tenacious, very strong, by insisting on it, even after it has been explained again and again that it does not work.

No I provided evidence of subjectivity in action and evidence against your incorrect views. I am merely saying your understanding of subjectivity and emotions is flawed. If emotions are not facts, as representatives of realty, there would be people with no emotions at all as an act of opinion. After all one could form an opinion, your thinking, that emotions do not exist. Thus said person would be devoid of emotions. Since opinion is valid to you this view must be accepted by you. Yet no one can does this, we can only control our reaction to an emotion such a restricting violent urges. Mental illness shows emotions are factual products of the brain as said illness can render one incapable of certain emotions. Animals also have emotions as per the 1970s experiments on Great Apes. Thus confirming emotions are not just unique to humans but animals are capable of emotions.

It is very easy to see how an environment with such social horrors of people telling you as fact what your emotions are could be conducive to depression. It's absolutely evil! It is "hell in the highschool" indeed.

Hence why we treat depression rather than saying "it's all in your head" If depression is an opinion all we need do is convince someone that their depression is just an opinion and change that opinion. Depression is cured. This type of nonsense shows that you do not understand mental illness as your illogical thoughts create ridiculous conclusions you are ignorant of.

And we can see all the evolutionists supporting this idea, which is because evolution theory destroys all knowledge about how things are chosen.

No you see modern medical science supporting these views. Modern knowledge which has done more in a century than all the useful thinking religion has ever provided.

The support of muslims and supposed creationists for subjectivity is also very weak. One has to really accept as plain scientific fact that freedom is real, while religionists rather tend to "believe" freedom is real, but don't accept it as certain fact also.

What do Muslims have to do with evolution? Beside this there are Muslims which support evolution by their interpretation of Islam. So let when you convince your own religious-social group to the point in which your view is the only view. It must be unanimous since all "evolutionists" support and accept evolution. The consensus is 100%.

Freedom is a concept which can not be applied as a universal. A non-sentient object can not exercise freedom at all. It's nature is strictly deterministic. Only organisms which are capable of reasoning can exercise true freedom, to do other than which is determined.

The support for the validity of subjectivity is minimal all round. We are just living on God's mercy, doing the absolute minimum in acknowdging each other's emotions, as well as each individual acknowledging their own emotions minimally.

Invoking God does nothing for your argument. No more than invoking fairies that happen to agree with my view would work in my argument.

 

[seb]

lol the truth you want is algorithm, something you brain can turn into numbers and symbols; that is the only truth you want; have you ever tried not to calculate for few minutes? once your brain is not calculating, there is a problem: what to do with the rest of remaining time: all these scientific explanations help to entertain and to pleasure brain before it stops processing.. and what then? any good mathematical formula? so what you are left is would be passing your dna onto your offspring like a good crocodile; death and procreation, that is what science is reducing people to

and when I go on streets preaching and talking about my previous lives, I get locked up in psychiatric hospital where they @treat me@ funny how society works; why I have to prove something? sheep biting gently grass doesn't have to prove to wolf what she feels about this place; it is like when you ask people what LOVE is: once they start talking all you can hear is love conquers death (which means im scared of death, so I do wishfull thinking); if you definitely prove God does or does not exist, will you die much happier?

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

No I provided evidence of subjectivity in action and evidence against your incorrect views. I am merely saying your understanding of subjectivity and emotions is flawed. If emotions are not facts, as representatives of realty, there would be people with no emotions at all as an act of opinion. After all one could form an opinion, your thinking, that emotions do not exist. Thus said person would be devoid of emotions. Since opinion is valid to you this view must be accepted by you. Yet no one can does this, we can only control our reaction to an emotion such a restricting violent urges. Mental illness shows emotions are factual products of the brain as said illness can render one incapable of certain emotions. Animals also have emotions as per the 1970s experiments on Great Apes. Thus confirming emotions are not just unique to humans but animals are capable of emotions.



Hence why we treat depression rather than saying "it's all in your head" If depression is an opinion all we need do is convince someone that their depression is just an opinion and change that opinion. Depression is cured. This type of nonsense shows that you do not understand mental illness as your illogical thoughts create ridiculous conclusions you are ignorant of.



No you see modern medical science supporting these views. Modern knowledge which has done more in a century than all the useful thinking religion has ever provided.



What do Muslims have to do with evolution? Beside this there are Muslims which support evolution by their interpretation of Islam. So let when you convince your own religious-social group to the point in which your view is the only view. It must be unanimous since all "evolutionists" support and accept evolution. The consensus is 100%.

Freedom is a concept which can not be applied as a universal. A non-sentient object can not exercise freedom at all. It's nature is strictly deterministic. Only organisms which are capable of reasoning can exercise true freedom, to do other than which is determined.



Invoking God does nothing for your argument. No more than invoking fairies that happen to agree with my view would work in my argument.

It is total evil, what you say. The scientific certitude behind your words makes for a total annihilitation of subjectivity.

Obviously it is fairly common to have a feeling of emptiness, to be bereft of emotions.

Obviously it is not the opinion that needs to change to cure depression. One must have emotional fullfillment. One does not need to choose the word love, one must choose out of love. So basically friendship and the like provides emotional fullfillment.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

We are the only means we know of, by which the universe can be appreciated from within. I don't think that's coincidence

Many would disagree with this statement, including primatologist Dame Jane Goodall.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

man have apple in their throat, and snake between their legs; if they get scared of death and start pleasuring (they let their penis in their heart) they will not be reborn as a man; if they let snake in heart they will grow breast, and be reborn as women; that is how reincarnation works

WOOHOOO!!!
I kicked the Holy Ghost out of my heart and let the Serpent slither his way in.
I really hope you are not misleading me on this.

 

[Shad]

It is total evil, what you say. The scientific certitude behind your words makes for a total annihilitation of subjectivity.

Obviously it is fairly common to have a feeling of emptiness, to be bereft of emotions.

Obviously it is not the opinion that needs to change to cure depression. One must have emotional fullfillment. One does not need to choose the word love, one must choose out of love. So basically friendship and the like provides emotional fullfillment.

Evil is an opinion according to you. So calling anything evil is only an opinion, one which I dismiss.

I said no emotions at all. A feeling of emptiness is a feeling.... It is linked with depression. It is not a lack of emotions. Look up the words you are using...

How people handle depression is their business. However your points are without merit as there are numerous treatment for depression. You suggestion is garbage drivel by someone that has no clue how people handle depression. If you idea had any merit it would be used as a treatment but it is not.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Evil is an opinion according to you. So calling anything evil is only an opinion, one which I dismiss.

I said no emotions at all. A feeling of emptiness is a feeling.... It is linked with depression. It is not a lack of emotions. Look up the words you are using...

How people handle depression is their business. However your points are without merit as there are numerous treatment for depression. You suggestion is garbage drivel by someone that has no clue how people handle depression. If you idea had any merit it would be used as a treatment but it is not.

That is the way most psychologists regard emotions, as subjective. As you can see in such common psych statements like "there is no wrong answer", when the psychologist asks about how the patient feels.

In your way of seeing things, there is ofcourse only 1 correct answer to the question how do you feel, because it is a statement of fact, and with facts there is ever only 1 correct answer. A psychologist regarding emotions as fact, would never say there is no wrong answer.

You admit to being dismissive of opinions in general, by saying it is "only" an opinion, which means ofcourse that you are dismissive of subjectivity in general. You betray yourself as competing fact against opinion, to the complete destruction of all opinion, that all opinion is dismissed for the simple reason that opinions aren't facts.

 

[Shad]

That is the way most psychologists regard emotions, as subjective. As you can see in such common psych statements like "there is no wrong answer", when the psychologist asks about how the patient feels.

In your way of seeing things, there is ofcourse only 1 correct answer to the question how do you feel, because it is a statement of fact, and with facts there is ever only 1 correct answer. A psychologist regarding emotions as fact, would never say there is no wrong answer.

You admit to being dismissive of opinions in general, by saying it is "only" an opinion, which means ofcourse that you are dismissive of subjectivity in general. You betray yourself as competing fact against opinion, to the complete destruction of all opinion, that all opinion is dismissed for the simple reason that opinions aren't facts.

No psychologists uses objective date and subjective information from the patient. It uses both as it is not a hard science. Again talking about what you do not understand.

Negative, I have support both objectivity and subjectivity. I only take issues with your flawed arguments based on your ignorance of the topic.

An opinion can be dismissed since it is an opinion not fact. If an opinion lacks justification anyone can dismiss it. Just as the opinion of a racist that thinks Africans are inferior can be dismissed by objective data showing no inferiority. One could hold an opinion which disagrees thus they have already rejected the former. You want people to accept opinions no matter how ridiculous an opinion is. You need this clause otherwise your own opinion can be dismissed. Which it has repeatedly. I accept opinions that are justified. No one is obligated to accept an opinion just because someone holds one.

You have failed to justify your opinion thus I can dismiss it just as I dismiss racist views which have no justification.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

You say emotions are fact, then that means you must disagree with these psychologists who say it is opinion, that there is no wrong answer. Or simply reach the obvious conclusion that what you say doesn't work.

My argument is proven to reasonable standards, evolution theory causes depression, by destroying the knowledge about how things are chosen, on which subjectivity relies.

Anybody doubting this is true, I present Shad, who regards emotions as fact, destroying any opinion about what emotions are in the heart. Yourself, your mother and father, your spous, your children, your friends, all fact what emotions they have, no opinion allowed. Welcome to hell on earth.

And there are countless evolutionists like Shad, I know by experience. There is no reasoning possible with them.

 

[Midnight Rain]

You say emotions are fact, then that means you must disagree with these psychologists who say it is opinion, that there is no wrong answer. Or simply reach the obvious conclusion that what you say doesn't work..

If someone has depression why not just choose to be happy if emotions are all choice?

 

[Shad]

You say emotions are fact, then that means you must disagree with these psychologists who say it is opinion, that there is no wrong answer. Or simply reach the obvious conclusion that what you say doesn't work.

My argument is proven to reasonable standards, evolution theory causes depression, by destroying the knowledge about how things are chosen, on which subjectivity relies.

Anybody doubting this is true, I present Shad, who regards emotions as fact, destroying any opinion about what emotions are in the heart. Yourself, your mother and father, your spous, your children, your friends, all fact what emotions they have, no opinion allowed. Welcome to hell on earth.

And there are countless evolutionists like Shad, I know by experience. There is no reasoning possible with them.

You provide no sources. Go look up objective psychology testing, it a method used. So again you demonstrate you are wrong. Both subjective and objective data is used since it is not a hard science.

You arguments have no justification as you provided no reasons to suggestion evolution is the cause rather than religion. You have made unsubstantiated statements, nothing more.

If emotion were opinions than one would not experience love without a prior rational. One would first create a basis between themselves and the object of interest before even conceiving the emotion one has toward the object. The emotion which require an opinion before hand to even experience an emotion. However since people are prone to emotional acts despite the ability to reason this shows that emotions are facts and states of mind not opinions. A factor which overrides the ability to reason, which allows us to form opinions, is evidence that emotions can not be products of opinions but are brutal facts of biology and instinct. A reaction not a view. Otherwise you are suggesting that one willing goes in a fit of rage in which they lose total control of themselves. However since emotional states of mind are documented by psychology and part of the justice system as a crime of passion you view has no merit. More so provocation parameters also take states of mind created by emotions as facts.

 

[Midnight Rain]

man have apple in their throat, and snake between their legs; if they get scared of death and start pleasuring (they let their penis in their heart) they will not be reborn as a man; if they let snake in heart they will grow breast, and be reborn as women; that is how reincarnation works

.....wat

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

If someone has depression why not just choose to be happy if emotions are all choice?

I am quite certain I already said it about 20 times in this topic, that emotions are doing the choosing. That is the complete opposite of choosing emotions.

You really do not understand subjectivity, emotions, you are really hung up on objectivity, facts only, same as Shad.

Shad who for the umpteenth times insists that the existence of emotions is fact, that emotions can be measured. That destroys all subjectivity, no matter how many times he says it, it is still reasonless socialdarwinist pseudoscience confusing ought with is.

In this topic you can see how incredibly widespread and tenacious this annihilation of emotion by evolutionists is. This is no coincedence to find 2 of them rejecting subjectivity, this is actually the norm of the majority of evolutionists in my experience of it.

 

[Midnight Rain]

I am quite certain I already said it about 20 times in this topic, that emotions are doing the choosing. That is the complete opposite of choosing emotions.

You really do not understand subjectivity, emotions, you are really hung up on objectivity, facts only, same as Shad.

Shad who for the umpteenth times insists that the existence of emotions is fact, that emotions can be measured. That destroys all subjectivity, no matter how many times he says it, it is still reasonless socialdarwinist pseudoscience confusing ought with is.

In this topic you can see how incredibly widespread and tenacious this annihilation of emotion by evolutionists is. This is no coincedence to find 2 of them rejecting subjectivity, this is actually the norm of the majority of evolutionists in my experience of it.

Emotions are feelings. Feelings are not sentient. Non-sentient things cannot choose. Unless you are claiming otherwise your argument eats itself.