Evolution, violence and the existence of God

[URAVIP2ME]

I gather that the shape on Mt Ararat has been debunked. Anyhow, a global flood would leave global traces. There are none, so no such flood.

How can the structure on Mt. Ararat be debunked when it matches the Genesis measurement account.
What global traces were Not left.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

How can the structure on Mt. Ararat be debunked when it matches the Genesis measurement account.
What global traces were Not left.

False. It does not match anything-- it's a HOAX. Designed to separate the gullible from their money.

So far, it's working...

 

[Looncall]

How can the structure on Mt. Ararat be debunked when it matches the Genesis measurement account.
What global traces were Not left.

Consider the meteor of the time of the demise of the dinosaurs: an Iridium-rich layer, dateable to that time, is found everywhere in the world.

No such traces are found for Noah's flood, which should have left obvious signs of devastation. Further,several sophisticated societies continued through the claimed time of the flood without disruption.

There is no possibility that Noah's flood took place. It is just a cynical yarn used by priests to terrify their followers into obedience.

One should not suppose that religious propaganda can be relied on for factual information.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

False. It does not match anything-- it's a HOAX. Designed to separate the gullible from their money.
So far, it's working...

I can agree that Christendom (so-called Christian mostly in name only HOAX) separates people from their money.
That does Not mean there is No working difference between false teachers and what the Bible teaches.
I find what is working is that we are at the ' final phase ' of the global international spreading of the gospel message.
( Message that a thousand years of peace and health are coming to Earth )
I find what is also working is that we are nearing the ' final signal ' when the 'powers that be' will be saying, " Peace and Security " as the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14 before there will be Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I can agree that Christendom (so-called Christian mostly in name only HOAX) separates people from their money.
That does Not mean there is No working difference between false teachers and what the Bible teaches.
I find what is working is that we are at the ' final phase ' of the global international spreading of the gospel message.
( Message that a thousand years of peace and health are coming to Earth )
I find what is also working is that we are nearing the ' final signal ' when the 'powers that be' will be saying, " Peace and Security " as the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14 before there will be Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.

I'm sorry... did you say.... "end times"? Or was that what I heard in your message above... "end times".

Hmmm.... when was the last time someone cried "end times?" 2013? I think that was it-- but wait. there was one before, in 2011.

And another in 2009, 2007 (a 'gosh' year, because 7 is 'gosh'), 2003 and, of course, 2000.

Then it was in the 1990s-- 1998? I don't recall-- but they were SURE, ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that we were in the "end times"....!

But Wait! That was hardly the oldest "end times" claims-- 1984? Or was it 1983? The Late Grate Planet Earth-- republished with revised "end time" dates every year since the Great Liar Hal Lindsey first had it ghost-written. (Incidentally, he took his millions of earnings from that book and invested in long term stocks and securities... ironic? Not at all: he KNEW it was a LIE, you see)....

Then backwards-- the very short Israeli-Egypt war, "everyone" was just SURE that was Jesus' Final Message. But it wasn't..... was it?

Nevermind that-- keep going. 1900. A "gosh" year-- The End Is Nigh. Only, it wasn't. But keep going: the 1890s and then, the 1870s both had a spate of End Times For Sure (can you spare a dime?). Nope.

1500. A "gosh" year for SURE, Jesus was a'comin' down from heebin, to sabe er soulsessesss. Only he didn't. But keep going-- back, back 1200's Gosh! 1200! Same as the 12 disciples! This MUST BE IT. Nope. Keep going.

The Year 1000. The End Of the World As We Knew It-- when Jesus Came Back.... right? Nope. He was busy or something.

Back-back-back. Year 900? Nope. year 700? Nope.... keep going. Time and Time Again-- The End Is Nigh-- only it wasn't.

Finally-- we are in the Times Of The Disciples-- and Jesus Himself, promises that before any of them died, he would return....


.... only he never did.


..... oops!


Jesus himself was .... WRONG.


Hmmmmmmm....... I think I see a pattern, here....

 

[Muffled]

I know this is an usual topic but I`m new over here. So let your ideas flow on this thread

Welcome to RF.

I don't believe people evolve into more moral people. I believe it takes repentance which is a revolution. God provides the moral yardstick. Without Him people would not even know they had to repent. They would just keep on doing what they have always done. And of course violence is immoral by God's standards.

 

[Muffled]

Yes, no, and no.


next thread.

I believe I have it No, no, yes. So we have something to debate.

 

[fantome profane]

I believe I have it No, no, yes. So we have something to debate.

I don't think there would be any point.

 

[Muffled]

Well, if this is the chronology, I guess it probably happened in this order. Evolution gave us the ability to become more efficient and skillful at violence.

I don't believe that is evolution. Knowledge builds upon knowledge just as bricks are laid on one another to build a building. It is more a creative process. I believe it is not a change in intelligence. I am more a Christian now than when I first started because my knowledge has increased but my intelligence remains the same.

 

[Muffled]

I don't think there would be any point.

I believe there doesn't have to be a point. It is like playing the slot games where one always wins. It isn't much of a contest but it still is fun to play the game.

 

[Muffled]

I can agree that Christendom (so-called Christian mostly in name only HOAX) separates people from their money.
That does Not mean there is No working difference between false teachers and what the Bible teaches.
I find what is working is that we are at the ' final phase ' of the global international spreading of the gospel message.
( Message that a thousand years of peace and health are coming to Earth )
I find what is also working is that we are nearing the ' final signal ' when the 'powers that be' will be saying, " Peace and Security " as the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14 before there will be Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.

My money digs wells and supports orphanages when it goes to Christian causes but if it goes to the slot machine it goes to building more casinos and political contributions to Trump and my tax money has gone to murder babies.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I'm sorry... did you say.... "end times"? Or was that what I heard in your message above... "end times".
Hmmm.... when was the last time someone cried "end times?" 2013? I think that was it-- but wait. there was one before, in 2011.
And another in 2009, 2007 (a 'gosh' year, because 7 is 'gosh'), 2003 and, of course, 2000.
Then it was in the 1990s-- 1998? I don't recall-- but they were SURE, ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that we were in the "end times"....!
But Wait! That was hardly the oldest "end times" claims-- 1984? Or was it 1983? The Late Grate Planet Earth-- republished with revised "end time" dates every year since the Great Liar Hal Lindsey first had it ghost-written. (Incidentally, he took his millions of earnings from that book and invested in long term stocks and securities... ironic? Not at all: he KNEW it was a LIE, you see)....
Then backwards-- the very short Israeli-Egypt war, "everyone" was just SURE that was Jesus' Final Message. But it wasn't..... was it?
Nevermind that-- keep going. 1900. A "gosh" year-- The End Is Nigh. Only, it wasn't. But keep going: the 1890s and then, the 1870s both had a spate of End Times For Sure (can you spare a dime?). Nope.
1500. A "gosh" year for SURE, Jesus was a'comin' down from heebin, to sabe er soulsessesss. Only he didn't. But keep going-- back, back 1200's Gosh! 1200! Same as the 12 disciples! This MUST BE IT. Nope. Keep going.
The Year 1000. The End Of the World As We Knew It-- when Jesus Came Back.... right? Nope. He was busy or something.
Back-back-back. Year 900? Nope. year 700? Nope.... keep going. Time and Time Again-- The End Is Nigh-- only it wasn't.
Finally-- we are in the Times Of The Disciples-- and Jesus Himself, promises that before any of them died, he would return....
.... only he never did.
..... oops!
Jesus himself was .... WRONG.
Hmmmmmmm....... I think I see a pattern, here....

People have talked about end times (the last days of badness on Earth - 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13) for centuries.
That pattern does Not make the teachings of Jesus as wrong, but makes the guesses as wrong.

Jesus will ' return ' during the coming ' time of separation ' of Matthew 25:40.
Jesus' spiritual brothers of verse 40 are, to use your above words, ' the time of the Disciples '.
I like that expression because Jesus' modern day ' disciples ' include Jesus' spiritual brothers of verse 40.
The humble 'sheep' do good to Jesus' spiritual brothers who are alive on Earth at this separating time.
We are nearing the ' final signal ' of 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 when the powers that be will be saying, " Peace and Security " as the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14. That is coming because we are in the ' final phase ' of Matthew 24:14 about the good news message about Daniel 2:44 which is now proclaimed on a vast global international scale as never before in history, so there is No oops!

 

[URAVIP2ME]

My money digs wells and supports orphanages when it goes to Christian causes but if it goes to the slot machine it goes to building more casinos and political contributions to Trump and my tax money has gone to murder babies.

I recall back in the 60's someone called me and asked if it was wrong to pay taxes because taxes support the war.
Jesus and his 1st-century followers were neutral about world affairs, They did Not even get involved in the issues of the day between the Jews verses the Romans. But by Jesus' saying to ' pay back Caesar's things to Caesar ' meant that what Caesar does with tax money is on Caesar's head and Not on the tax payers head.

Christians go around teaching individuals Not to murder babies.
Mother and doctor (Not God) act as judge and executioner of babies deeming the unborn as unfit for life.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

We have evolved to be an unusually violent species. That's pretty obvious at least.

And due to our evolved sense of cunning and deception, religion(manipulation of God believers) has proven a fine tool to extract this natural tendency.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

And due to our evolved sense of cunning and deception, religion(manipulation of God believers) has proven a fine tool to extract this natural tendency.

' Religion ' yes, but Not the religious teachings of Jesus as found at John 13:34-35 to have self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus has. Basically, the world's religions (including Christendom) do Not teach the teaching of Jesus.

 

[Augustus]

And due to our evolved sense of cunning and deception, religion(manipulation of God believers) has proven a fine tool to extract this natural tendency.

To some extent yes, but far, far less than most people commonly imagine.

<10% of historical wars have been religious in nature and, pound for pound, no religious ideologies have a worse track record than modern nationalism and the 20th C totalitarianisms.

Religion really has a pretty negligible effect on rates of violence overall, we have always been able to find a reason when we wanted to.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

To some extent yes, but far, far less than most people commonly imagine.

<10% of historical wars have been religious in nature and, pound for pound, no religious ideologies have a worse track record than modern nationalism and the 20th C totalitarianisms.

Religion really has a pretty negligible effect on rates of violence overall, we have always been able to find a reason when we wanted to.

Tell that to the surviving relatives of the 911 incident or the parents of dead kids that went to see Riana grande in the UK.(or any of the thousands killed in terror attacks by islamists this year alone)

And that's just one religion.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

' Religion ' yes, but Not the religious teachings of Jesus as found at John 13:34-35 to have self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus has. Basically, the world's religions (including Christendom) do Not teach the teaching of Jesus.

Yes yes your ideal Christianity would be nice, I wish it existed in reality.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

People have talked about end times (the last days of badness on Earth - 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13) for centuries.
That pattern does Not make the teachings of Jesus as wrong, but makes the guesses as wrong.

Hubris. Look it up: you are suffering from a large case of it.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

People have talked about end times (the last days of badness on Earth - 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13) for centuries.
That pattern does Not make the teachings of Jesus as wrong, but makes the guesses as wrong.

Jesus will ' return ' during the coming ' time of separation ' of Matthew 25:40.
Jesus' spiritual brothers of verse 40 are, to use your above words, ' the time of the Disciples '.
I like that expression because Jesus' modern day ' disciples ' include Jesus' spiritual brothers of verse 40.
The humble 'sheep' do good to Jesus' spiritual brothers who are alive on Earth at this separating time.
We are nearing the ' final signal ' of 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 when the powers that be will be saying, " Peace and Security " as the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14. That is coming because we are in the ' final phase ' of Matthew 24:14 about the good news message about Daniel 2:44 which is now proclaimed on a vast global international scale as never before in history, so there is No oops!

You failed to "explain" why Jesus promised to return before any of his immediate followers died.

And then? Did not, in fact, return (proof is that the world is still here, and not a paradise of peace).