EVOLUTION, what a lie.

[DarkSun]

although i do not accept anything you guys have presented, not they they aren't facts, but they do not support evolution, i think we should move coz if we continued with this further you guys aren't going to accept what i have to say.

so i have another question, evolution says living matter formed from non living matter, can i see some examples thanks.

Evolution doesn't say this at all. What you're describing is Abiogenesis. Start a new thread.

 

[DarkSun]

where have i said that i don't understand evolution?

and just so you know theories are very easy to refute, facts however aren't.

In science, a theory is a fact (or at least what we think is a fact). The two words are almost synonymous.

Gravity is just a theory. Why aren't you disagreeing with that?

 

[Gharib]

you guys are contradicting Darwins theory. his first book was called the origin of species so evolution does speak how life came to be. but i take it from your answers that there is no answer. wasn't all that surprising cheers.

 

[Gharib]

In science, a theory is a fact (or at least what we think is a fact). The two words are almost synonymous.

Gravity is just a theory. Why aren't you disagreeing with that?

gravity is not like evolution. gravity is both fact and theory. evolution is just an unprovable theory put forward by an amateur

 

[DarkSun]

gravity is not like evolution. gravity is both fact and theory. evolution is just an unprovable theory put forward by an amateur

No, evolution is well supported by the available evidence. Just like Newton's Law of Gravitation.

 

[DarkSun]

I wrote this on Mickiel's thread. Perhaps you should read it.

Mickiel, let's say the date was 200,000BC, and let's just assume people were still alive, but in primitive conditions. Ignore whatever the Bible says, this is just a hypothetical situation.

Now, let's say you had three male children: one grew to be tall and muscular, the second grew to be slightly stocky and hairy, and the third was small but agile. Furthermore, it would be fair to say that these children would not be exact replicas of you, right?

This is because of variation within a species. Every life form on the planet is going to have children with slightly different traits to them (but let's not go into why, okay?). Because of this fact, there is variation in a species.

Now let's say it suddenly became cold, and food became scarce. Now let's say, hypothetically, your tall and muscular child was able to survive because his longer limbs enabled him to conserve energy, so he didn't need to eat as much, despite the lack of food. At the same time, your slightly hairy and stocky child was better equipped to stay warm, despite the cold. But. Let's say the small and agile child died in the cold because he didn't have these advantageous traits.

This is called natural selection. The small and agile child did not have the traits required to survive in the environment, so he died, leaving this other two children to survive. This is an example of one of the basic postulates of evolution: that because organisms within a species will have slightly different characteristics, the organism with the best traits suited to help it survive will live on, while the people with the inferior traits will die.

Now let's say that your first son died younger than normal because of heart failure, leaving your second son to live on (the hairy and stocky one). And let's say your hairy and stocky child had children, two who were short, hairy and stocky, and one who was slightly taller. Now let's say that the one who was slightly taller died in the cold environment, and that the remaining two children had kids: one who was the same size as their parents, the second who was even smaller and slightly stockier, and the third who was even stockier than his parents, but about the same height. Let's say only the third child survived. Let's say he had kids. All of whom resembled him to an extent, but each with their own traits.

In comparison, you, the father, look like you do now.

This is how evolution works. It does not say that people "magically transform". It says that because of differences in your offspring, and because some of those differences are beneficial for life, the child with the best genes suited to survive, will survive, and pass on those genes. In all, evolution is the net sum of all inheritable adaptations.

So. In summary:

1. There is variation of traits within a species.
2. This variation of traits are because of differences in genes (DNA).
3. Species will compete for limited resources in a brutal world.
4. The species who is most successfully able to reproduce will do so, and carry on their genes.
5. Natural selection: the organism within a species who has the traits best suited for survival, will carry on their traits, while the organism with inferior traits will die out. As generations progress, only the beneficial traits come to exist, and species gradually change.
6. Proof of this lies in all of the different races of people on Earth. The theory of evolution explains why every race has slightly different traits.

Here is some more evidence, not just with people:

 

[Gharib]

No, evolution is well supported by the available evidence. Just like Newton's Law of Gravitation.

what evidence the ones thay show one species immediately change into another all of a sudden. yeah i know about those, thats what makes evolution fake.

 

[Falvlun]

you guys are contradicting Darwins theory. his first book was called the origin of species so evolution does speak how life came to be. but i take it from your answers that there is no answer. wasn't all that surprising cheers.

Origin of species. Note the underlined word. He was coming up with a way the variety of life could have come to be. Not how life came to be in the first place.

Did you read the link on Abiogenesis? The second sentence states "It [abiogenesis] should not be confused with evolution...." I thought that was pretty clear cut.

gravity is not like evolution. gravity is both fact and theory. evolution is just an unprovable theory put forward by an amateur

What makes gravity fact and what does it have that evolution doesn't? Both evolution and gravity are heavily supported by scientific experiment, observation, and prediction.

And evolution theory has progressed far beyond Darwin, who I assume is the amature you allude to. Thousands of scientists by now have been gathering data and generating experiments testing the soundness of this theory. And guess what? The vast majority of scientists accept evolution as a scientific fact.

But I bet you already know this. You are just unwilling to accept it.

 

[DarkSun]

you guys are contradicting Darwins theory. his first book was called the origin of species so evolution does speak how life came to be. but i take it from your answers that there is no answer. wasn't all that surprising cheers.

Big Bang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Stellar nucleosynthesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

Introduction to evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Big Bang, Stellar Nucleosynthesis, Abiogenesis and Evolution are all completely different topics. Those links provide adequate information of each. If you have any questions after reading everything posted, feel free to ask.

what evidence the ones thay show one species immediately change into another all of a sudden. yeah i know about those, thats what makes evolution fake.

This is not what evolution states. Read the above information and stop spreading misinformation.

 

[Falvlun]

what evidence the ones thay show one species immediately change into another all of a sudden. yeah i know about those, thats what makes evolution fake.

"All of a sudden"? Evolution is about the change of organisms over time.

 

[Gharib]

I wrote this on Mickiel's thread. Perhaps you should read it.

that was a very nice story, but unfortunately it fails.

let me explain:
humans have the ability to think ok, we can use our brain. the very fact that humans exist and are the most powerful creatures on earth disproves evolution and that natural selection stroy.

now before you or anyone else replies to this, i would suggest you think very hard about what i've said. i want you and everyone else to answer me Why would i say that our existence dissproves evolution?

anyone who answers unsatisfactory i will not consider their posts. thats why i suggest that those who want to reply to this post should think hard about what i've said and what their reply is going to be.

 

[DarkSun]

that was a very nice story, but unfortunately it fails.

let me explain:
humans have the ability to think ok, we can use our brain. the very fact that humans exist and are the most powerful creatures on earth disproves evolution and that natural selection stroy.

No, it doesn't.

now before you or anyone else replies to this, i would suggest you think very hard about what i've said. i want you and everyone else to answer me Why would i say that our existence dissproves evolution?

Because you're unwilling to accept anything that goes against your literal interpretation of the Quran?

Oh, and because you think we're better than every other animal on Earth, which is also a misnomer. We just have the ability to manipulate our environment more effectively than most, and the brain power to use that ability to its fullest. This isn't proof against evolution, though. If anything, it supports it.

anyone who answers unsatisfactory i will not consider their posts. thats why i suggest that those who want to reply to this post should think hard about what i've said and what their reply is going to be.

 

[McBell]

anyone who answers unsatisfactory i will not consider their posts.

So disagreement with you means you ignore them?

How is this any different than ignoring everything you dislike or do not want to accept?

Interesting how you so espouse the ostrich with his head in the sand....

 

[Gharib]

"All of a sudden"? Evolution is about the change of organisms over time.

aha, so how can a bird/dinosaur creature that has a primitive lung exist?

or anyother creature for that matter. and the fossil record shows sudden changes, not over time.

 

[Gharib]

So disagreement with you means you ignore them?

How is this any different than ignoring everything you dislike or do not want to accept?

Interesting how you so espouse the ostrich with his head in the sand....

interesting how you don't understand what i'm saying and yet you reply.

if your theory is unrefutable then you should have no problem with what i've said nor have any problem understanding what i've said.

 

[Gharib]

No, it doesn't.



Because you're unwilling to accept anything that goes against your literal interpretation of the Quran?

Oh, and because you think we're better than every other animal on Earth, which is also a misnomer. We just have the ability to manipulate our environment more effectively than most, and the brain power to use that ability to its fullest. This isn't proof against evolution, though. If anything, it supports it.

bong bong, you fail i'm affraid. see i never mentioned anything about the quran. why is that everytime a muslims has something to say IT IS ALWAYS THE NON MUSLIMS WHO BRING UP THE QURAN?

 

[DarkSun]

aha, so how can a bird/dinosaur creature that has a primitive lung exist?

or anyother creature for that matter. and the fossil record shows sudden changes, not over time.

Transition between dinosaur and bird was also relatively gradual. And a wing doesn't always have to be intended for flying, you know? A small-ish dinosaur may have needed to climb trees to excape a predator, so natural selection would have dictated that its arms became more suited for this. After a couple of thousand generations, perhaps these arms also doubled up as a means of jumping into the air (By pushing air downward, or gliding upward), to then grab onto a tree. And perhaps everything else happened from there.

 

[DarkSun]

bong bong, you fail i'm affraid. see i never mentioned anything about the quran. why is that everytime a muslims has something to say IT IS ALWAYS THE NON MUSLIMS WHO BRING UP THE QURAN?

So you don't disagree with evolution for religious reasons?

 

[Gharib]

So you don't disagree with evolution for religious reasons?

i dissagree for both religious and non religious reasons. my religious background tells me how things work and the non religious background verifies it. i can't dissprove evolution just by saying, the quran says so, now can i?

 

[McBell]

interesting how you don't understand what i'm saying and yet you reply.

if your theory is unrefutable then you should have no problem with what i've said nor have any problem understanding what i've said.

actually the problem here is the fact that you can not/will not accept that you are just plain flat out wrong.

You talk in circles and have even flat out stated that you will ignore everything you disagree with.

So the real question is why should anyone even try to educate you when you are more than content with your ignorance?